Comments on: AudioJungle http://musiclibraryreport.com/music-libraries-a-to-a/audiojungle/ Music creators rating the music libraries. Wed, 08 Sep 2010 12:25:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Symon Michael http://musiclibraryreport.com/music-libraries-a-to-a/audiojungle/comment-page-1/#comment-6853 Symon Michael Wed, 01 Sep 2010 15:34:01 +0000 http://musiclibraryreport.com/music-libraries-a-to-b/audiojungle/#comment-6853 Hmmm... so the bottom line is that it sounds like this company is not really worth getting involved with. Thanks for all the comments, everyone - the feedback and real-life experiences really help newcomers like me figure out how to sift through all this! It's a jungle out there, -->S Hmmm… so the bottom line is that it sounds like this company is not really worth getting involved with. Thanks for all the comments, everyone – the feedback and real-life experiences really help newcomers like me figure out how to sift through all this!

It’s a jungle out there,

–>S

]]> By: Mark http://musiclibraryreport.com/music-libraries-a-to-a/audiojungle/comment-page-1/#comment-4863 Mark Fri, 04 Jun 2010 07:27:31 +0000 http://musiclibraryreport.com/music-libraries-a-to-b/audiojungle/#comment-4863 "I really appreciate it when a RF library gives me the % BEFORE any sales or promotions" Right, this is an important point to consider. I worked with one library that implemented a 20% discount on a bulk purchase but took the entire cost of the discount out of the contributor share. We threatened to pull our material and they changed the program. Another company we work with takes out the cost of burning and printing the CD/DVD out of the composer's share (they stopped just short of taking the shipping cost out of the composer's share as well because of my complaints). These seems like minor things but they add up. Look at your contract and make sure you will always be getting 50% of the *purchase price* for your music. Promotions and discounts should be on the shoulders of the library, not the composer. -Mark “I really appreciate it when a RF library gives me the % BEFORE any sales or promotions”

Right, this is an important point to consider. I worked with one library that implemented a 20% discount on a bulk purchase but took the entire cost of the discount out of the contributor share. We threatened to pull our material and they changed the program.

Another company we work with takes out the cost of burning and printing the CD/DVD out of the composer’s share (they stopped just short of taking the shipping cost out of the composer’s share as well because of my complaints).

These seems like minor things but they add up. Look at your contract and make sure you will always be getting 50% of the *purchase price* for your music.
Promotions and discounts should be on the shoulders of the library, not the composer.

-Mark

]]> By: Matt http://musiclibraryreport.com/music-libraries-a-to-a/audiojungle/comment-page-1/#comment-4850 Matt Thu, 03 Jun 2010 22:49:10 +0000 http://musiclibraryreport.com/music-libraries-a-to-b/audiojungle/#comment-4850 Absolutely agree that a 50/50 split is best. Ironically the libraries I've been involved with that offer less than 50% are the ones with the least sales. $30 should be a minimum for a RF track 1:30 and longer. Lower than that and you're in the bargain bin category like AudioMicro... not worth your time uploading, and contributes to a general race to the bottom. Besides, do you really want your 'name' associated with ultra cheap music? I really appreciate it when a RF library gives me the % BEFORE any sales or promotions. It's that kind of thing that keeps me supplying fresh music to them, no matter how busy I get with writing gigs. Absolutely agree that a 50/50 split is best. Ironically the libraries I’ve been involved with that offer less than 50% are the ones with the least sales.

$30 should be a minimum for a RF track 1:30 and longer. Lower than that and you’re in the bargain bin category like AudioMicro… not worth your time uploading, and contributes to a general race to the bottom. Besides, do you really want your ‘name’ associated with ultra cheap music?

I really appreciate it when a RF library gives me the % BEFORE any sales or promotions. It’s that kind of thing that keeps me supplying fresh music to them, no matter how busy I get with writing gigs.

]]> By: Sergei Stern http://musiclibraryreport.com/music-libraries-a-to-a/audiojungle/comment-page-1/#comment-4828 Sergei Stern Thu, 03 Jun 2010 10:53:41 +0000 http://musiclibraryreport.com/music-libraries-a-to-b/audiojungle/#comment-4828 honest rebellion: Everybody decides for themselves. Anyway, I don't think all the top composers will leave.. its impossible. There will always be a composer who will sell his music for cheap on any conditions no matter what. And I agree with Matt, I don't think they will change their terms drastically in the near future.. They earn enough money anyway, cause the traffic is great and the payout percentages work for them well too. Dmytro: The fair deal is the point where support and demand meet (economics 101). :) I agree with you that 40-50% is great and the price should be 20-30$ for the cheapest license. Thats what the market supplies us nowadays, the composers. honest rebellion:

Everybody decides for themselves. Anyway, I don’t think all the top composers will leave.. its impossible. There will always be a composer who will sell his music for cheap on any conditions no matter what. And I agree with Matt, I don’t think they will change their terms drastically in the near future.. They earn enough money anyway, cause the traffic is great and the payout percentages work for them well too.

Dmytro:

The fair deal is the point where support and demand meet (economics 101). :)
I agree with you that 40-50% is great and the price should be 20-30$ for the cheapest license. Thats what the market supplies us nowadays, the composers.

]]> By: Dmytro http://musiclibraryreport.com/music-libraries-a-to-a/audiojungle/comment-page-1/#comment-4827 Dmytro Thu, 03 Jun 2010 10:44:39 +0000 http://musiclibraryreport.com/music-libraries-a-to-b/audiojungle/#comment-4827 Already removed. But the question is - what is the fair deal? When I was starting I knew nothing about prices and splits (to be honest I was getting too low with them) and this is the main reason - why newbie authors contribute their stuff with such "composer-hostile" conditions (IMHO). I propose to speak out your thoughts about this topic. I think that 50/50 is a fair split for sync fees in RF sector (40% is possible but there must be other weighty bonuses - for example - awesome site-traffic). As for prices - 30usd for "lowest" license type. What do you think? Already removed.
But the question is – what is the fair deal?
When I was starting I knew nothing about prices and splits (to be honest I was getting too low with them) and this is the main reason – why newbie authors contribute their stuff with such “composer-hostile” conditions (IMHO).
I propose to speak out your thoughts about this topic.
I think that 50/50 is a fair split for sync fees in RF sector (40% is possible but there must be other weighty bonuses – for example – awesome site-traffic).
As for prices – 30usd for “lowest” license type.
What do you think?

]]> By: Matt http://musiclibraryreport.com/music-libraries-a-to-a/audiojungle/comment-page-1/#comment-4825 Matt Thu, 03 Jun 2010 10:09:17 +0000 http://musiclibraryreport.com/music-libraries-a-to-b/audiojungle/#comment-4825 Why wait? Even 35% is a crappy deal, and I doubt they'd go that high if pressured. Why wait? Even 35% is a crappy deal, and I doubt they’d go that high if pressured.

]]> By: honest rebellion http://musiclibraryreport.com/music-libraries-a-to-a/audiojungle/comment-page-1/#comment-4824 honest rebellion Thu, 03 Jun 2010 10:05:44 +0000 http://musiclibraryreport.com/music-libraries-a-to-b/audiojungle/#comment-4824 When does the boycott officially begin? :) Lets just all withdraw in one day, just like the anti-facebook movement. Facebook lost 30,000 plus in one day. Lets set a time table and stick to it... if we all pull out at once on a specified date it gives them a chance to really consider what is best for the composers before that date or live with the consequences... Scott, you listening? Lets start together with notifying the top AJ authors and get the ball rolling... post a link on the AJ forum, etc. Think we can amass the army within 2 months? I suggest August 1st, if AJ does not change by then, lets walk. I am one of the top authors and I am sure they will notice when I leave as well. :P We have had this talk with AJ many times before, on and off the forum and nothing changed for the artists... time to gently force our rights upon them. Who is with me? When does the boycott officially begin? :) Lets just all withdraw in one day, just like the anti-facebook movement. Facebook lost 30,000 plus in one day. Lets set a time table and stick to it… if we all pull out at once on a specified date it gives them a chance to really consider what is best for the composers before that date or live with the consequences…

Scott, you listening?

Lets start together with notifying the top AJ authors and get the ball rolling… post a link on the AJ forum, etc. Think we can amass the army within 2 months?

I suggest August 1st, if AJ does not change by then, lets walk. I am one of the top authors and I am sure they will notice when I leave as well. :P We have had this talk with AJ many times before, on and off the forum and nothing changed for the artists… time to gently force our rights upon them.

Who is with me?

]]> By: oontz oontz http://musiclibraryreport.com/music-libraries-a-to-a/audiojungle/comment-page-1/#comment-4665 oontz oontz Tue, 25 May 2010 23:50:51 +0000 http://musiclibraryreport.com/music-libraries-a-to-b/audiojungle/#comment-4665 WOW I don't even know where to start with that... WOW

I don’t even know where to start with that…

]]> By: Denis W http://musiclibraryreport.com/music-libraries-a-to-a/audiojungle/comment-page-1/#comment-4664 Denis W Tue, 25 May 2010 23:25:08 +0000 http://musiclibraryreport.com/music-libraries-a-to-b/audiojungle/#comment-4664 What I found astonishing about Scott@Audiojungle's post was when he referred to a 25% commission. Whenever I have ever heard this expression used, it is by an agent/manager or someone who exploits an artists work. They get a 10-25% commission. This is what I assumed Audiojungle took. To my horror I see they take 75%. The commission he refers too is the creators cut. Guys, this is beyond crazy. Nobody forces anyone to join this crew but really this is ridiculous. There are plenty of other sites mentioned in this forum who will work very hard for you and not take this ridiculous cut. As some of the previous posters have said they dont even make any money from this anyway. This kind of operation really should be avoided IMHO and well done to everyone who pulls there content. Thanks again to Art, who without the collective voice of this forum, this kind of thing goes on without being challenged. What I found astonishing about Scott@Audiojungle’s post was when he referred to a 25% commission. Whenever I have ever heard this expression used, it is by an agent/manager or someone who exploits an artists work. They get a 10-25% commission.

This is what I assumed Audiojungle took. To my horror I see they take 75%. The commission he refers too is the creators cut. Guys, this is beyond crazy.

Nobody forces anyone to join this crew but really this is ridiculous. There are plenty of other sites mentioned in this forum who will work very hard for you and not take this ridiculous cut.

As some of the previous posters have said they dont even make any money from this anyway. This kind of operation really should be avoided IMHO and well done to everyone who pulls there content. Thanks again to Art, who without the collective voice of this forum, this kind of thing goes on without being challenged.

]]> By: Bobby Cole http://musiclibraryreport.com/music-libraries-a-to-a/audiojungle/comment-page-1/#comment-4656 Bobby Cole Tue, 25 May 2010 09:08:55 +0000 http://musiclibraryreport.com/music-libraries-a-to-b/audiojungle/#comment-4656 Sergei.... well said, perfectly on the money!!! Great post. I think that what it all comes down to is that no one is forcing us to be on Audio Jungle so we can leave at any time, BUT i think that they need to introduce increasing percentages for non exclusive authors, so for example You start at 25% and you can gradually increase your percentage if you sell more files. This has to be implemented, and will reward the composers with better and larger libraries. As it stands, a full time professional composer with a degree, thousands of pounds worth of equipment and years of experience will be on the same rate (non exclusive) as a teenager with fruity loops and a laptop..... doesn't eally make sense does it! If only Audio Jungle would introduce this then I think it would be a fair compromise. I do like Audio Jungle, and sales have been consistent, but everyone is right, 25% is far too low for the prices that they sell at, and they need to introduce sliding percentages for authors, the more you sell, the higher your percentage gets. Sergei…. well said, perfectly on the money!!! Great post.

I think that what it all comes down to is that no one is forcing us to be on Audio Jungle so we can leave at any time, BUT i think that they need to introduce increasing percentages for non exclusive authors, so for example

You start at 25% and you can gradually increase your percentage if you sell more files. This has to be implemented, and will reward the composers with better and larger libraries. As it stands, a full time professional composer with a degree, thousands of pounds worth of equipment and years of experience will be on the same rate (non exclusive) as a teenager with fruity loops and a laptop….. doesn’t eally make sense does it!

If only Audio Jungle would introduce this then I think it would be a fair compromise. I do like Audio Jungle, and sales have been consistent, but everyone is right, 25% is far too low for the prices that they sell at, and they need to introduce sliding percentages for authors, the more you sell, the higher your percentage gets.

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