Partners in Rhyme
| If you are a composer and/or songwriter, please leave your comments and experiences with this company. We want to hear the good as well as the bad! Please rate, from 1 to 10, by clicking on one of the stars. Below is some general information but we make no guarantee of accuracy. Check with the company for all details. Please contact us for any corrections. | ||
| URL: | http://www.partnersinrhyme.com/ | |
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| Accepting Submissions: | Yes | |
| Submit Via Uploads: | Yes | |
| Submit Via Mail: | Yes | |
| Submissions Reviewed: | Yes | |
| Types Accepted: |
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| Charge For Submissions: | No | |
| Up Front Money: | ||
| Royalty Free: (non-broadcast use) |
Yes | |
| Exclusivity: (Exclusive, Non, Semi) (Semi = Free to place on own but not with another library) |
Non-Exclusive | |
| Re-Title: | Unknown | |
| Set Own Price: | No | |
| Contract Length: | Unknown | |
| Payment Schedule: | Unknown | |
| License Fee Split: (writer/library) |
50/50 | |
| PRO Split Based on 100%: (writer/library writer/library/publisher or writer) |
No PRO Payment! | |
| Requires Licensee To File Cue Sheet: | No | |
| Notes: | ||
Categories: Music Libraries P to P | 
Tags: composer, music, partners in rhyme, songwriter | 
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You need to contact them directly to get involved, it’s not a bargain bin/anyone can upload type of site. They sell albums on this site and single tracks on their other site musicloops.com
They pay every month, and have great sales. Nothing bad to say about them!
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scrolling down to 7) on this page :-
http://www.partnersinrhyme.com/contact/techhelp.php
hmm…doesnt give me a warm feeling inside. ANYONE who isnt giving you anything on the backend, means theyre potentially taking the lot.
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Mark, October 21st, 2009 at 5:36 pm Reply:
If by “taking the lot” you are insinuating that we are taking our composers backend that is completely ridiculous.
We have been distributing royalty free music online for 13 years now and our high volume of sales is partly due to the fact that our clients do not have to report the usage of the music they buy from us.
Of course if our clients ask for the PRO info of our composers we give it to them. We don’t even ask for a share of publishing.
In any case, our composers are much happier with a high volume of sales rather than the performing rights payments that rarely ever materialize from sales on other websites. Our composers are actually making real money.
Mark Lewis
CEO Partners In Rhyme
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Dean, October 22nd, 2009 at 5:44 am Reply:
You needn’t get concerned about the PRO side of things with royalty free music anyway… 99.9% of the time the customers aren’t broadcasting the music anywhere that nets you more than pennies.
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Steve, October 22nd, 2009 at 6:00 am Reply:
Possibly, but I know someone who has made several thousand dollars worth of performance royalties from a royalty free music library.
So you never really know I guess. I think that it really depends on the individual royalty free library and who they’ve made connections with. But generally I would have to agree that yes, you probably aren’t going to be seeing performance royalties from a royalty free library.
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Dean, October 22nd, 2009 at 6:16 am Reply:
The core of the issue is: will music supervisors from big TV shows actually take the time to go online and sift through 100’s of tracks to find something good for their show? With dozens of composer owned libraries (e.g. David Vanacore) and major libraries begging (giving their music for free) every day to have their catalogs placed on network and cable shows, it is HIGHLY unlikely. The only reasons I can imagine that this would ever happen, are:
- if there’s a genre of music they need, that for some bizarre reason isn’t anywhere on the catalogs of the libraries they have at their fingertips
- or the show is a pilot made by an up and coming, yet relatively unknown production company.
The bulk of the customers are small time producers that make ultra low budget films, local commercials, wedding and corporate videos. Other customers are web designers looking for loops and background music. There is also a growing sector of customers that are making youtube videos and understand that they should use pre-cleared music if they want the videos to stay up (and not get sued).
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Dean, October 22nd, 2009 at 6:24 am Reply:
Let me add this – in my experience, major production companies are usually required to submit cue sheets as part of the ‘deliverables’ before a show or film is released. It is part of the legal framework of the distribution deal, and puts the onus of responsibility for any music use (and lawsuits) on the production company, not the distributors.
So that is why companies like PiR might still get asked for the PRO information, even if the website says customers don’t have to report usage to ASCAP etc.
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I’ve had a collection of my tracks up on PiR for a little over a year now, and I have been very pleased with the level of sales. Mark pays monthly, and on time. I’m very happy with my involvement at his site.
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I have a piano collection on Partners in Rhyme and I have to say that it is the single best site I have ever used. I have NEVER received any royalties from any royalty free (note royalty “free”) websites I have used, and I don’t expect it from this site either. I’ve been in contact with Mark a number of times, and he is a genuine and honest guy – payments are always on time, and I’m sure if any royalties were ever given, that Mark would send them on straight away.
I’ve made quite a large amount of money from this site, and continue to make a lovely chunk each month from sales – I would 110% advise people to join this site – I honestly can’t recommend it enough.
Emmett
http://www.soundtrack.ie
http://www.filmandgamecomposers.com
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redbadger, January 14th, 2010 at 12:05 pm Reply:
Hi Emmett (this isn’t about Partners in Rhyme). Thanks for the link to your film and game composers site. I’m checking out the forum right now. I see Heather Fenoughty is on your front page. I’m a big fan of her blog. It’s very informative.
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Emmett Cooke, January 14th, 2010 at 12:47 pm Reply:
Heya, my forum isn’t really active at all anymore to be honest, feel free to have a look around. I hope to get the website back up and running again soon
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Hi Emmet, hope youre well.
I just wanted to pick your brain on how open the contract is, insofar that if theres overlap with others, then this isnt a real issue for partners in rhyme. At then end of the day, it does sound like a win -win scenario for both composers and tv/film producers alike in a sense, but it does open up the opportunity for short changing somewhere if there is overlap, although i suppose anyone offering non exclusivity is in a similar boat. The only difference is that the pricing must be quite low ( im assuming), AND theyre not putting any steam on the buyers to fill in cue sheets.
In effect, i have some stuff i think might go well here, but then im wondering if its a stab in the foot with regards to its value elsewhere.
do you know what i mean?
regards
S R DHAIN
JUICY AUDIO PRODUCTIONS
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Mark, January 16th, 2010 at 4:58 am Reply:
Hi SR-
Emmett referred me to your question because he wasn’t sure how to answer it.
I’m not sure either what you mean by “overlap with others”?
In regards to pricing for our music collections we are competitive with other music libraries, definitely not on the low end.
Partners In Rhyme definitely does not undervalue music. We’re not selling tracks for $1 or $2 dollars like some websites. You’ve probably seen our prices on musicloops.com, all between $24.95 and $49.95 for a full length track. Collections on Partners In Rhyme range from $89.95 to $149.95.
Our new composers always start out on musicloops.com and then if sales go well there they are asked to submit ideas for collections for publication on the big site at Partners In Rhyme.
fyi- We are completely swamped with new music to publish right now on Partners In Rhyme, actually we are completely full for the rest of 2010 with some great composers and publishing companies submitting their entire catalogs to us recently.
Let me know if you have any specific questions regarding our vendor agreement and I will try to answer them for you.
Regards,
Mark Lewis
Partners In Rhyme
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s r dhain, January 16th, 2010 at 5:53 am Reply:
Thanks for your answer Mark, much appreciated.
Perhaps ive across as a bit “green” somewhere, but im not a virgin to the game. Youve hit the nail on the head as to the answer i was looking for, which is refreshingly honest. As to your being full for the rest of this year, thats superb news, and then means that seeing as i already have hundreds of tracks floating around out there, the other untouched “babies” will have to find other home(s). Once again, thanks for your time.
Kind regards
S R DHAIN
JUICY AUDIO PRODUCTIONS
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I can hardly spare the time to write this, because like most of you, I’m working all the time, trying to find ways to make an income from my music.
But I found this situation to be so absolutely unfair, unreasonable and discriminatory that I’m taking the time to send in this report so that all of you may be aware and benefit.
By the way, thanks Art, for creating a fair forum and rating system where composers can help each other by informing each other about our experiences.
Speaking of fairness, I strive to be a fair and reasonable person. I’ve done my best to be as objective as possible in this report, which has been very hard to do, because I am infuriated.
A lot of you have had good experiences with Partners In Rhyme. Unfortunately, this has not been my experience. I even waited 2 days to give them time to reply to me before I posted this, but they didn’t bother.
So here are the facts:
I wrote to Partners In Rhyme (via their musicloops website), pointing them to my website to listen to my music for possible inclusion in their catalogue. This is what they suggest composers do, and I dutifully followed their instruction.
The next day I get this email from them. (It is copied and pasted exactly as sent to me):
“Hi Sean-
Thank you for your submission but due to very bad experiences with composers who are involved in the Audiosparx library we no longer accept or review submissions from any composer involved with Audiosparx.
Regards,
Mark Lewis
Partners In Rhyme, Inc.”
And that was it.
So, because I put my music up on Audiosparx (and many other websites, like many, many composers do), all of a sudden I must be a bad bet?
Never mind that they didn’t even bother to listen to my music or judge me based on the merits of my music.
Never mind that I have absolutely no knowledge of, or association with these “composers involved with the Audiosparx library”, that apparently gave PIR a hard time.
Just because I have my music on a website, along with hundreds of other composers, where PIR has apparently had problems with people I don’t know and have never heard of, they are not even going to give me the time of day.
To me, this is the same small-minded discrimination along the lines of “Well, I’ve had some bad experiences with men, therefore all men are pigs”.
By the way, when I wrote to them to ask them to consider my music, I didn’t even point them to my music on Audiosparx.
I pointed them to my own small website, that I made completely by myself.
Lots of composers have their own small personal websites, in an attempt to generate income. That’s just a fact in an industry where supply exceeds demand.
It just goes to show that PIR googled me to see what other websites I have my music on.
So what? Like many of you I’m sure, I have my music on multiple non-exclusive sites, trying to make a buck.
If PIR calls itself a non-exclusive site, they shouldn’t have a problem with me putting my music on other sites.
Is this bit of information, that they don’t accept music from composers who have their music on Audiosparx, written anywhere on their site? Is it easy to see and to find?
How the hell is it my problem that PIR has a problem with Audiosparx?
I replied to Mark Lewis of PIR with this email:
“Well I think that is incredibly immature and very insulting.
How can you paint all composers with the same brush, as if anyone involved with a certain company must be bad news?
If you are going to reject me, do it on the merit of my music, not because I’m struggling to make money and have to be part of multiple companies in order to do so.”
Like I said earlier, I waited 2 days to see if PIR would respond. They didn’t. So that’s the story. This was actually the second time I’ve approached PIR to listen to my music. The first time, which was months ago, I never even got a response.
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Mark, January 29th, 2010 at 2:49 pm Reply:
This is all completely true and I am sorry you feel so insulted by our policy.
I will not go into details in a public forum but please understand that we have every right in the world to protect our good reputation as a trusted provider of royalty free music and we will not allow our reputation to be put in danger by the business decisions of another company.
We will be posting this policy on our composer submission page at Partners In Rhyme and musicloops.com soon, apologies for the delay.
Mark Lewis
CEO Partners In Rhyme Inc.
PS- I’m glad I kept my response to you so short since you seem to like to post private emails on pubic forums.
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Sean C., January 29th, 2010 at 4:00 pm Reply:
Yes Mark, I posted your response to me in order to keep you honest. That’s what this forum and rating system is for.
Anybody with any level of self-esteem or sense of fairness would feel insulted by your policy. Did you actually expect different? Like I’m just supposed to accept your unfairness and roll over and die?
You have put your own reputation ‘in danger’ by being so unfairly discriminatory to composers that have no involvement with your business issues with other companies.
I also have every right in the world, as a composer and as a human being, to stand up for myself, and not passively accept unfair, blanket discriminatory policies from anyone, anytime, anywhere, no matter what kind of business you run, or how powerful you think you are.
I had no doubt that you would be on here in no time, to defend your unfair attitude towards me as an innocent individual composer, who has absolutely no connection to those who have given you problems.
Did you give me any other option to submit my music to your company? No. Just a short response (your own words), which I found to be quite indifferent.
You just decided, “Oh he’s got music on Audiosparx, therefore we want nothing to do with him”.
I will continue to post emails should I so choose. That way, people can see how you, or any other individual and/or company, are treating composers when you think no one else will know about it.
If my complaint is what is spurring you into action, to publicly post on your site, your prejudice against any composer who innocently happens to have his/her music on Audiosparx, then good. Apologies for your delay.
This is my last response to you. Due to very bad experiences with your company, I will no longer be accepting or reviewing any further comments or correspondence from PIR and musicloops.
But only your company. I’m still open to talking to other companies. You see, I don’t paint everyone with the same brush. Innocent until proven otherwise.
P.S. Did you rate your own company when you responded to my post? When I rated, it totalled 13 votes. After your response, there were 14 votes. Hmmm.
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Emmett Cooke, January 29th, 2010 at 4:27 pm Reply:
I can see this bad experience from your point of view, and from PIR’s point of view also. I won’t go into details, but I can understand why they no longer accept submissions from composers who do have their music on Audiosparx. I do know that a number of websites will reject your submission if you are on too many other websites aswell, so some sites will reject you straight out depending on where your music is on the web.
Id just like to say, I can understand what you’re saying, but I personally think they’re a great website to sell your music on
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Sean C., January 29th, 2010 at 5:16 pm Reply:
Hi Emmett,
Thanks for that very general and vague reply.
You yourself seem to have music on Audiosparx. It is apparently not a problem with PIR in your case.
Why is that, Emmett?
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Emmett Cooke, January 29th, 2010 at 5:34 pm Reply:
Hi Sean, my reply is very general and vague, as I respect PIR’s right to privacy in regards to their business operation. Being one of the composers on PIR, I know about the issues with the other site in question, but I’ll leave it up to them if they want to discuss it publicly. I know this is a public forum, and its for discussion about how good/bad you think a library is, depending on your own experience with them. However, there are legalities that companies have to deal with aswell and I don’t want to cause difficulties here.
In terms of my experience of PIR, as I’ve said, I think they’re great, I make a nice amount of money from them in sales, and they treat all of their composers fairly. On a side note, I was with PIR since long before issues with Audiosparx. They may have changed their composer submission policy lately – it wasn’t like that when I joined.
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Matt, January 29th, 2010 at 8:15 pm Reply:
This is a classic example for others (and hopefully you) to learn from.
It’s never wise to ‘burn a bridge’ – especially in the fickle world of the entertainment industry.
You obviously felt great frustration and anger about something out of your control, but had you found time to think things over with a cool head, you may have decided to keep at the least the potential of future work with this company, and leave things in a polite and respectful way.
Who knows, maybe a year or two from now PIR decides it’s OK to work with Audiosparx composers again (which by the way is completely their prerogative). Or maybe they liked your work (if they listened to it) and might have recommended you to another company.
Instead, you let your ego get the better of you, and in a hissy fit managed to cut off any chance of ever working with this company. Fortunately you had the presence of mind not to post with your full name. Unfortunately, it’s not hard to find the only Sean C on Audiosparx.
If I had a music library and came across your posts, I would definitely think twice about working with someone that publicly throws a tantrum about a rule that a highly regarded (and successful) music library like PIR decides to implement because of something they consider a significant liability to their business.
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Sean C., January 30th, 2010 at 10:30 am Reply:
Matt, you are under the impression that I was trying to hide my name.
I was not.
I have absolutely no interest in your assumptions and thought processes. Those are yours to deal with, not mine.
However, for the benefit of all future Matt-like reponses, I will answer this once.
As per Art’s request on this site, I gave my real name. Why? Because I believe what I had to say is legitimate.
This was my experience with PIR.
However, I’m not obligated to provide every last detail of my life.
I will also not play beggar, in the hope that one day some company—any company—or person, place or thing, might possibly change their minds.
Perhaps it escaped your attention, Matt, that PIR burned their bridge with me from the outset?
Or is dignity and value only assigned by you, Matt?
I found PIR’s policy to be very harsh, mainly because it seems to punish everybody based on the actions of a few. It makes it unfortunate for everybody, not just those who caused the problems.
These companies are going through their ‘nightmare situations’; how much moreso the individual composer?
Matt, and all like Matt: This rating system is here so that composers may benefit by knowing the goings-on of dealing with the royalty-free music industry.
As Art requests, the good and the bad. What I wrote here is my bad experience with a company. It would be inhuman not to feel angry about it.
Have you, Matt, dealt with all unreasonable and outright rejection in your life in such a wise and saintly manner? Sure you have.
Did you wait 2 days before responding? Sure.
You, Matt, have not used this forum to report your experiences with a company, but instead to express your apparently oh-so-deep insight into my character and bridge-burning intentions. So what was that about ego?
I will no longer be responding to Matt-like outbursts on this forum. That’s not what it’s for.
I will not clutter it up with responses as to my character and intentions. Matt has most generously done that for all of you.
I respect what Art Munson has created here, to help all composers and real musicians, trying to create an income in an oversaturated market.
Thanks again, Art.
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Just a quick note to add, in addition to the Audiosparx policy we will also not be accepting music that is also published with any major label. If your music was released by Warner Music Group and any of their subsidiaries, or any other major label, we will not be able to consider it for inclusion in our catalog.
We did not create these policies quickly, or lightly. The last four months have been an absolute nightmare for us at Partners In Rhyme (and at other music libraries I believe).
It all has to do with the Youtube Content ID system and people placing material into that system when they have no right to, or in some cases (major labels) do have the right and the composer does not have the right to be distributing his music royalty free.
It is very complex and to make it easier on ourselves we are only accepting “clean” music catalogs from now on.
Mark Lewis
Partners In Rhyme
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Hi, this is Barbie, Artist Liaison from AudioSparx, posting a comment about the foregoing emails and PIR’s recent policy to reject AudioSparx composers. During late 2009, AudioSparx entered into an “ad share” agreement with a third party company who provides a service to monetize music via ad placements on YouTube and other major social websites. It quickly became apparent that the program did not function as we had believed it would, and it began creating headaches for both AudioSparx and PIR, and for composers who were mutually on both AudioSparx and PiR. We learned of the problems in late December and reacted immediately. However several parties involved were away for the holidays and consequently were unavailable to properly address our immediate concerns.
In early January, after it became clear that the problems with the program had no immediate solutions, we terminated our participation in the program for all AudioSparx composers, and requested all music tracks involved be removed immediately from the social websites. All affected tracks are currently being removed, but due to technical issues at YouTube, removal is proceeding more slowly than everyone involved would prefer. However, the tracks soon will be fully removed and the source of the problems caused to us and to PiR will be fully eliminated.
We hope that PIR will reconsider and drop their present policy of rejecting all composers who sell their content at AudioSparx. This is not about AudioSparx nor Warner Bros nor any other label that has ever used such music monetization programs. Rather it is about content that is actively engaged in such monetization programs. Content from AudioSparx artists is no longer involved in such a program. We believe a better policy, which we have recently implemented, would be to reject any content actively participating in any type of “ad share” or “ad royalties” campaigns, since this type of program is clearly what created the above issues.
We have no desire for any harm to come to our composers or to PiR, or to other aspiring music artists anywhere. Our goal was to help our artist community earn more money for their music, and our participation with the “ad share” program was entered into on a strictly trial basis. Once we learned how the program truly operated and that it was creating more problems than it was solving, we terminated our involvement. We have communicated and cooperated closely with PiR throughout this entire ordeal to try to resolve the problems as rapidly as possible.
Barbie
Artist Liaison
http://www.audiosparx.com/
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“Content from AudioSparx artists is no longer involved in such a program. ”
This isn’t exactly true. There is still quite a bit of content left that you have placed in the GoDigital system (content that was placed in the system without the expressed consent of the composers involved). There are still ads being placed on our customer’s YouTube videos and somebody is earning money off of these ads.
I know that because we are still receiving customer complaints that GoDigital owns the content that we are selling.
I have requested a list of composers who still have compromised music catalogs from Audiosparx and GoDigital and I still have not received this list so I have to work off the basis that all Audiosparx composers have compromised music catalogs.
Thank you for your suggestion on how to run my business but I think we will keep our policy in place until I am absolutely sure that the music catalogs from the composers at Audiosparx are once again legal to distribute.
I apologize again if this is upsetting to the composers at Audiosparx but it is a situation that I did not create. I am simply protecting my business and the reputation that we have built over the past 13 years as a trusted provider of royalty free music.
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In response to PIR’s request for a composer list, we cancelled the ad share program on January 5, requesting that all AudioSparx composer tracks be removed immediately from the social website monitoring program. This should have ended with the flip of a switch; however, YouTube has a glitch in their system which has required the manual removal of the tracks. Because many tracks have been removed and others remain, we will communicate privately with PiR once we obtain an up-to-date list. We anticipate the problem will be resolved in the coming week and all AudioSparx composers’ tracks should then be totally clear.
Just FYI, when we joined the ad share program our composers were given all information we had available, along with an opportunity to opt out. It seemed to be a good program to earn extra money for their efforts, and very few opted out. However, the program did not operate as we believed it would, and once the flaws became evident, AudioSparx terminated the program.
By way of explanation, PiR was affected only because some participating composers have tracks that are licensable from both PiR and AudioSparx’s libraries. In our 13 years of operation we have never experienced a problem such as this, and certainly we have no intention of participating in any such program in the future. We plan to take this offline and correspond directly with PiR, and appreciate everyone’s kind patience as we put this chapter to bed.
Barbie
Artist Liaison
http://www.audiosparx.com/
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I have music with both Audiosparx and PIR and I for one am very happy with both companies. This is an unfortunate incident but I have all the confidence in the world that it will be resolved. Both companies (in my personal experience) have been very professional, helpful, and constantly try and find ways to help their composers.
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Just a quick update on the situation discussed above.
GoDigital contacted me yesterday and confirmed that all Audiosparx content has been removed from their database and the Youtube Content ID system.
Thanks to Quinn at Audiosparx for putting the pressure on GoDigital to get this content removed during the last couple of weeks.
We are of course very happy that this has been resolved and that we can all get back to business as usual.
Our policy of not reviewing Audiosparx composers for possible inclusion in the Partners In Rhyme catalog is no longer in place.
Regards,
Mark Lewis
Partners In Rhyme
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That sounds like great news all round Mark, so well done on that front
Most people here have goos stuff to say about your modus operandi. My ONLY reservation regarding you guys, is the ZERO backend
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Art, February 3rd, 2010 at 11:36 am Reply:
I agree, Mark has always been above board and pro active.
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Now all Partners in Rhyme has to do is find a way to regain the trust of composers who they would have treated like ****.
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Mark, February 3rd, 2010 at 11:27 am Reply:
I don’t recall treating anyone badly and I’m really sorry you feel so angry and overly-sensitive about about all of this.
Either way, we have no shortage of great composers who really love working with us so I don’t think we’re going to have any problems in that department
Good luck with your future endeavors.
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I don’t post my music to “3rd party” licensing sites, so I’m of a neutral stance. Mark seems (is) very professional. If his company doesn’t want to take in someones music that’s their right. For composers to whine and complain about it is unprofessional and a waste of time.
Hey Shawn C, why don’t you post your full name and website for all of us to see after you shared private emails with a whole host of people here on this forum….
Unless you’re Shawn Clement, which in that case…..HIRE ME. I’d love to ghost write some Court TV car-chase shows!!!! Just pay me more than $100 a minute.
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Dean, April 8th, 2010 at 12:21 am Reply:
FYI Shawn Clement doesn’t pay more than $100 a minute! It’s wall to wall action music that pays $80 a minute with NO WRITERS SHARE…. that’s right, he takes the royalties. Oh wait, he’ll give you 25% of the writer’s share if you agree to only $40 a minute. Generous huh?!
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John (the other John), April 8th, 2010 at 4:40 am Reply:
It’s difficult for me to understand a publisher taking any of the writer’s share of royalties. If that’s true, they have no scruples whatsoever. Shame, shame, shame, everyone knows your name!
After I check the accuracy of your comment on their website today, I’m going to check with ASCAP to find out the legalities of this. It doesn’t sound legal to me.
Registering tracks with ASCAP under a false name is just plan fraud.
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John (the other John), April 8th, 2010 at 4:57 am Reply:
It doesn’t appear this company even registers tracks with PRO’s at all. This is from their site:
“Film: You can use Partners In Rhyme royalty free music in a big budget Hollywood film, an independant documentary, your student film project or your most recent amateur (but incredibly brilliant) film project.
No matter how big the project is you will never have to pay another royalty or broadcasting fee when you download background music from Partners In Rhyme”
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Mark, April 8th, 2010 at 5:01 am Reply:
That’s correct John. You seem to be talking about two separate sites/issues here though.
The Shawn Clement comment above has nothing to do with us.
Partners In Rhyme has always been and will always be a PRO free site.
Mark Lewis, CEO
Partners In Rhyme Inc
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Emmett Cooke, April 8th, 2010 at 5:01 am Reply:
That might be the case, but to be honest, I’ve made wayyy more from this site than any other site out there.
Other sites that DO register your tracks with PRO’s would earn you far less money. To be honest, I think they do a great job, and am very happy with the payout and service from PIR. Great company – at the end of the day, its all about the money, and they really give me a very nice addition to my music sales each month.
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John (the other John), April 8th, 2010 at 5:51 am Reply:
Glad we got this issue cleared up.
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Also, I like those Go Digital! guys. Are they still working with Master P?
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Just wanted to mention that musicloops.com and partnersinrhyme.com are currently looking for quality psy-trance composers to add to our catalog.
If you are a psy-trance composer and want to distribute your music through our websites please contact me with samples of your music
http://www.partnersinrhyme.com/contact/contact.php
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PartnersInRhyme is GREAT!
If any of you have any questions or doubts about them…feel free to ask me about my totally positive and long-time relationship I’ve had with them.
Mark is great.
They move my music every month.
They pay me every month.
When I have questions (or get confused, right Mark?) they always help me out.
I don’t know if YOUR music is right for this site.
But my music seems to be a great fit, and I really appreciate all of the work and licensing and money Mark makes for me!
And have you noticed that practically NO ONE really has anything bad to say about PIR?
Check out some of the OTHER music libraries mentioned here on this site! YIKES! They’re full of unhappy musicians.
We Love PIR! Keep up all of the great work you do.
Gayle
http://www.virb.com/GayleEllett
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I have been hearing a lot of hub bub about GoDigital lately, found this thread. I have always had my music placed in GoDigital and I for one am pleased with its performance. I mean let’s face it, royalty free music isn’t exactly a big money game, and I think composers are wise to consider every single possible revenue stream available to them. It is a shame, and IMHO horribly unprofessional, that companies like PIR take such a shortsighted stance as to actually BLOCK composers accounts because of such an issue. Things like GoDigital are exactly the types of revenue streams royalty free music composers need to band together on, as opposed to being kicked around and blocked by sites that you, the COMPOSERS, are generating revenue for.
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Matt, June 21st, 2010 at 6:08 pm Reply:
Could you give us a rough idea of how much you’re getting from GoDigital?
I get at least a grand per month just from PIR.
I wonder if the libraries you have submitted to that are using GoDigital will soon face the same issues that ML/PIR has been. Seems like it’s a good idea for exclusive libraries, but terrible for non-exclusives.
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Partners In Rhyme, June 21st, 2010 at 10:18 pm Reply:
Hi Christopher-
If you had to deal with customer complaints on a daily basis you would do the same thing to protect your business.
Maybe royalty free music isn’t”exactly big money” in the libraries you work with but it is with ours.
Good luck with your GoDigital revenue and thank you for your advice on how to run my business.
-Mark
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Anonymous, June 22nd, 2010 at 8:20 am Reply:
I can’t understand how composers are only looking at the bottom line and not seeing how bad this is for them. At the end of the day our customers are the end-user. Not the library or publisher you sign it to, but the client who bought a license of your work to use for their project.
That person (your client) expects that he/she bought a license that is “free and clear”. If they are then getting double dipped by GoDigital & told by YouTube that they’re using “un-authorized” music, not only does the library look bad, but so does the composer. I’m sure that they’ll be very leery of using any material from that same composer in the future.
This is a business, and like any other business you have to look beyond the here & now, and think how this will affect your business in the future.
It’s your music. Give it the value it deserves by making sure when it is licensed to someone, they’re getting what they’re paying for.
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Partners In Rhyme, June 22nd, 2010 at 9:12 am Reply:
Wow. Whoever you are you have stated my case more eloquently than I ever could.
Thank you.
Mark Lewis
Partners In Rhyme
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So what kind of music is doing so well in PIR. I understand they were looking for psy trance in March but what genre of music are those that are earning a G per month with them creating.
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Matt, June 23rd, 2010 at 1:40 am Reply:
A very wide variety of styles, no one style seems to be a clear winner. Quality seems to be the deciding factor – my more polished tracks seem to outsell the others, but again, those tracks are in a wide range of genres/emotions.
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Partners In Rhyme, June 23rd, 2010 at 2:05 am Reply:
Well, at the moment it is modern orchestral music, movie trailer type stuff. Well produced fill soundtrack music with orchestras but also with things like crunchy guitar passages and urban / hip hop type beats.
We also sell any type of music that is modern, uplifting and positive.
But all styles seem to sell pretty well to some extent, except Bossa Nova (maybe I need to change the name of those collections).
The process for choosing collections usually start with our Musicloops.com composer who are selling regularly. I then ask them send their catalog to me and I choose different themes for collections. I have a pretty good track record with creating uniquely themed collections.
You have to be on Musicloops first and then submit your entire catalog for consideration on PIR.
I have some pretty informative stats of what people are looking for and buying from our musicloops site. Maybe I can post them somewhere for everybody’s reference.
You would then be able to look up those popular songs to see if you can create something in that style.
Let me know if you would like me to post this info here at some point.
One general word of advice: It is really silly but the name of your track is really important. Some of our best sellers have names like “Happy Song”, “Uplifting”, Brit Rock Band”. Basically keywords that somebody might enter into a search engine.
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JD, June 23rd, 2010 at 11:40 pm Reply:
Hey, thanks a lot! That list would be great as well. I’m pretty versatile in the music compositions I am able to create. However, I am really just getting into this type of stuff even though I have had some tracks placed in a few TV shows but those were full songs with vocals used as theme songs. I am now in the process of cataloging my instrumental works and an idea of what would be best to focus on would be great before I start submitting stuff to musicloops.
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Here’s an interesting stat.
These are all the genres available on Musicloops.com and the number shows how many customers/visitors clicked on each genre during the month of June 2010.
It doesn’t translate directly to what type of genres sell but the info might be helpful in some way.
http://www.partnersinrhyme.com/files/Categories_Selected1.jpg
I’ll post some different stats as I put them together.
-Mark
Partners In Rhyme
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Emmett Cooke, June 25th, 2010 at 10:14 am Reply:
Hi Mark,
Its not showing up any picture for me when I click on it? Is it just me?
Emmett
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Partners In Rhyme, June 25th, 2010 at 10:25 am Reply:
Try this one instead:
http://www.partnersinrhyme.com/files/Categories_Selected1.gif
-Mark
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Emmett Cooke, June 25th, 2010 at 10:27 am Reply:
Thanks Mark, that one works perfect cheers. Interesting stats thanks
Emmett
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