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    Art Munson
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    A library I just signed with wants all the edits final crash within 1-3 seconds of time limit but for the track to end right on time.

    Yep, some libraries want them that way.

    #27860 Reply
    SteveW
    Participant

    There’s at least one exclusive library I’ve spotted who have plenty of 30 sec edits ringing out from 25 and ending at 35!

    So it surely can’t be down to what the end user is dictating, with so much variation in what libraries call a 30 sec edit? Very confusing when making “general” 30 sec edits though.

    #27864 Reply
    woodsdenis
    Participant

    “Hail Mary” bars for us old timers (bars of 2/4) LOL. Also depending on territory some TV station require slightly less than 30 sec so audio doesn’t line up when played together.

    #31709 Reply
    Alistair Brown
    Guest

    Hi everyone, sorry to jump on an old thread but this is a topic that has me interested at the moment and I can’t find too much other information out there on t’interwebs. A few posts have hinted at using just an audio editor (e.g. Audacity) for making timed edits (rather than in the DAW). Is that the approach most of you would take; bounce out the final track, import the audio to an editor, and make timed edits from there? If so, I have mentioned Audacity but do any of you use other software?
    Are any of you aware of other material (videos?) demonstrating the process?
    Many thanks!

    #31711 Reply
    Art Munson
    Keymaster

    A few posts have hinted at using just an audio editor (e.g. Audacity) for making timed edits (rather than in the DAW).

    I use my DAW (Sonar). I have Audacity but it’s just easier, for me, to use my DAW. I use my original project file blow out all the tracks, save as an “edits” file, load in the mastered track and make my edits there. That way my time line, markers and BPM all line up.

    #31712 Reply
    Alistair Brown
    Guest

    Great, thank you for the really quick response Art. Until reading this thread I had imagined that the edits were produced from the midi / audio tracks in the DAW. I can see how using the mastered audio track will be much quicker, but I will need to really up my audio editing skills – I always end up with horrible clicks and pops after I start chopping up audio. I’m still quite new to it all, so I will need to set some time aside to practice this aspect of the process. šŸ™‚

    #31714 Reply
    Michael Nickolas
    Participant

    I always end up with horrible clicks and pops after I start chopping up audio.

    Set your audio editor to snap to zero crossing, this will avoid the clicks and pops. There will be times you’ll need to turn this snap off to make a very exact timing cut, but 90% of the time it will be better on.

    #31716 Reply
    Art Munson
    Keymaster

    I can see how using the mastered audio track will be much quicker, but I will need to really up my audio editing skills

    If your original project file is laid out correctly and use markers it should be pretty easy. In my project file I have a marker for the start of the track (as well as sections throughout the track). If you reload your master into the edit version of your project file, right at the start marker, everything will line up correctly and it’s very easy to cut on the beat.

    Also, in my edit project file I lay in markers for around 14 to 14.5 seconds and the same for 30 second and 60 second. My last beat will be somewhere around (in the case of a 15 second mix) 14 to 14.5 seconds. That leaves a bit for hangover. That’s my routine but others do it differently.

    #31720 Reply
    b1nrybl0ke
    Participant

    I can see how using the mastered audio track will be much quicker

    I think track style might have a bearing. I produce mostly EDM/Pop and for high end work I do the cuts from the original arrangement to avoid long release notes, reverb tails sounding too chopped.

    #31725 Reply
    Alistair Brown
    Guest

    Thanks again everyone for your valuable comments. I tried again last night with the ‘editing the master method’ and came across the exact issue mentioned by b1nrybl0ke. I had issues with delays and reverb leaking across splices, so quickly that directed me back to the method of using the original arrangement. Trial and error I suppose.

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