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    Dougie Fresh
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    replying to Music1234-
    I’ve had tons of placements in trailers and tv spots for movies, haven’t seen one penny through ASCAP and am considering switching to a PRO that does pay out for trailer and TV spots.
    Does anyone have experience they can shed some light on this?

    #30064 Reply
    Music1234
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    Have you filed advertising and Promo claims? Sent competitrack data, spot codes etc?

    https://www.ascap.com/~/media/files/pdf/members/payment/advertisement_claim_form_final.pdf?la=en&hash=BBC76374B59EF9A007567B7EE7D7D52D5A8A30FB

    And e-mail follow up communications with ASCAP?

    Folks, you can not just sit and hope to collect royalties for commercials from ANY PRO. You have to do some paper work and follow up. Switching PRO’s is not the solution. You still need to do the paperwork to file what essentially amounts to a claim. You are CLAIMING that your music was used in a tv commercial and therefore you are entitled to performance royalties. Did you send links to YOUTUBE videos of the spots or trailers as further proof? and send an mp3 of your track?

    #30068 Reply
    Dougie Fresh
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    Nope, I did none of that so you are 100% right it’s on me, but I was not aware this had to be done so thanks for the link. Sorry didn’t mean to grab my pitchfork and torch and join the “let’s bash the PRO’s” parade. I’ve still got a lot to learn about royalties.

    However, after attending ASCAP Expo for the first time this year, I walked away feeling that their focus is squarely on singer / songwriter traditional label work. Production music felt like an afterthought based on the fact that there were few seminars where this was the topic. I also walked away with the realization that royalties are very complex and I probably need to hire someone to help with registering tracks and making claims. I wish there was an easier way like that ASCAP would accept tunesat data, or that it was mandatory for studios to file a cue sheet to every P.R.O. They have the cue sheets but I’m supposed to track down the person to get a copy of it and submit it? The system is not great, but it’s not all ASCAP’s fault.

    I’ll refine my question to the thread: Which P.R.O. do you feel is best for TV commercials and trailers?

    #30071 Reply
    Music1234
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    Which P.R.O. do you feel is best for TV commercials and trailers?

    SESAC for sure from my experience. They pay more for spots based on statement comparisons, and I have seen some high profile tv commercial writers switch to that PRO and I can only assume they are doing so for the money.

    @Dougie….ASCAP does do just as good a job as anyone for TV show royalties from my perspective. If TV commercials are your sweet spot, get an account with SESAC immediately.

    I also walked away with the realization that royalties are very complex and I probably need to hire someone to help with registering tracks and making claims.

    No sir, if you want to make money, you better do all the administrative work. There is no such thing as “others” miraculously handling your administrative work. So you better make spreadsheets and metadata your best friend today. If you like money in the bank, you better register your titles, chase down cue sheets, file claims for advertising and promos you have on the air, and follow up. There are no short cuts.

    #30072 Reply
    Art Munson
    Keymaster

    No sir, if you want to make money, you better do all the administrative work. There is no such thing as “others” miraculously handling your administrative work.

    Spot on!

    #30073 Reply
    ChuckMott
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    Have ASCAP international royalties been paid out yet? Perhaps I didn’t get any this quarter?

    #30074 Reply
    euca
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    @ChuckMott, Monday the 14th they pay out.

    #30075 Reply
    euca
    Guest

    One library I belong to has done all the admin work for the TV commercials they have placed for me. I am sure they are the exception though.

    #30077 Reply
    LAwriter
    Participant

    I have never done any admin work as discussed above other than registering my songs with BMI. To be honest, I wouldn’t know where to start. Most of the libraries I work for do this for me. It’s their money too….

    #30078 Reply
    Art Munson
    Keymaster

    I also walked away with the realization that royalties are very complex and I probably need to hire someone to help with registering tracks and making claims.

    Here’s something that I have been looking into. These may help with some aspects of the complexity of royalties. https://www.songtrust.com/

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