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  • #30827 Reply
    Glenn
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    Hello All,

    I’ve heard and read about some dutch composers jumped ship to BMI and Ascap. What are your thoughts about that? And are you with BUMA or did you jumped to another PRO yourself?

    Would be nice to learn from your experience and your thoughts!

    Thanks,
    Glenn

    #30850 Reply
    Glenn
    Participant

    Not so much dutch musicians over here? 🙂

    #35708 Reply
    sboulogne
    Participant

    Hi Glenn,

    I saw this post. I am also kooking to switch from BUMA to BMI. Did you actually switch?

    Best,

    Sander

    #35709 Reply
    ORPM
    Participant

    I am Gema and can only switch new pieces…the old ones remain Gema ( I was told…I didn’t switch)
    Whats the Problem with BUMA? Ascap and BMI dont pay mechanicals in USA only CESAC pays mechanicals….I think Buma does, but don’t know…

    #35710 Reply
    johnnyboy
    Participant

    Had to Google them: https://www.bumastemra.nl/en/authors-publishers/ Cost to join is more expensive than the USA PRO’s. Seems there’s an anual fee as well as a join-=up fee.
    For a songwriter, membership costs:

    €45.76 one-off affiliation charge
    €63.55 annual contribution
    This means you pay €109.31 in the first year. That’s $128.72 in US dollars.

    #35711 Reply
    sboulogne
    Participant

    You get back the annual contribution. They all pay writers base royalty if 65 euro’s

    Most of my publishers are in the US so I think it makes sense to join a US pro. Also, at BUMA the royalty statement is very minimal. You don’t get to see which track does what.

    best,

    Sander

    #35716 Reply
    ORPM
    Participant

    thats why we use tunesat…

    #35717 Reply
    Ruiz
    Participant

    Hi Sander,

    I switched from Buma to ASCAp three years ago.
    It has it’s pro’s and cons.
    You get paid much earlier, that is every quarter..with Buma it can take three years before they will have all the backend wired to their account.
    The main con is, at least ASCAP still sends you paper cheques, which are impossible to cash in The Netherlands.
    It took me three years to convince the ASCAP administration that this way of payment is outdated in Europe.

    The hardest part of the switching is timing.
    You have to cancel your US royalty agreemen with Bumat, but this only possible once a year..I can’t remember if it has to be at the start of a new year.
    After that you are free to join ASCAP.
    Please check with Buma on the precise timing

    Good luck!! and feel free to ask me anything more!

    Best,

    Roeland

    #35718 Reply
    johnnyboy
    Participant

    “The main con is, at least ASCAP still sends you paper cheques, which are impossible to cash in The Netherlands.”

    Can’t they make a direct deposit into your bank account?

    John

    #35719 Reply
    Ruiz
    Participant

    Ascap held off on it for a very long time, they only make direct deposits to a US bank account, which is impossible to procure for a non-US resident.
    After three years they helped me with a wire transfer..

    Roeland

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