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    MichaelL
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    Long explanation Deleted.

    In my case, everything was identical..cues, day parts, episodes. ASCAP simply missed 75% of the performances, which they admitted, but were not willing to correct, even when provided with cue sheets three times and with copies of my co-publishers BMI statements.

    _MichaelL

    #8736 Reply
    euca
    Guest

    @michaelL, yes that makes sense how you had a hugh difference. How did the actual amounts compare between your statement and his? Basically if you each had 30 seconds in the afternoon, how did the dollar amount compare?

    I was saying that with Glen’s chart there is missing information to make a good comparison.

    #8737 Reply
    Greg
    Guest

    Any comments on sesac?   Someone in the biz suggested them.

    #8738 Reply
    MichaelL
    Participant

    Hi euca,

    The first concept the you need to understand is that my co-writer / co-publisher was not a writer. He is a publisher. For business reasons, I traded half of my writer’s share for half of his publishing share. So, we are really talking about my cues, not his cues and my cues.   Everything is identical, one and the same.

    So, to answer your question, for the 2nd Q distribution of 2012 BMI paid him 4.5 x more for my cues  than ASCAP paid me for my cues.  Maybe that isn’t so bad when you’re talking about a few dollars, but when you’re adding zeros onto those numbers it’s painful.

    What BMI just paid for the 2nd Q of 2012 was 2x what ASCAP me paid for the the previous three Q’s combined. 

    Comparing my ASCAP Statements from June/July of 2012, with my BMI Statement, BMI paid me 5x more. Just so you understand this clearly, there is no other music involved, like other library cues. I am talking about 5x more for the same cues, same episodes and same day parts, same days of the week (reruns). In other words, there are no variations that would account for the difference.

    Looking at the statements side by side, ASCAP simply failed to detect 75% , or more, of the performances. And, in the case of one cable show, where they did catch all the performances ASCAP paid 30% less per minute (the weighting formula).

    That is probably not the case with Network programming. But, out of all the places our music gets used, how much of it is Network programming?  Maybe these differences will  be resolved when ASCAP adopts digital detection.

    _MichaelL

     

     

     

    #8739 Reply
    Glen
    Guest

    This is not a side by side charts of the exact same cues. Its simply an example of what background cues paid for the show toddlers and tiaras by bmi and ASCAP. As far as time of day, number of usages, i have never seen that info on either an ASCAP nor a BMW statement so I am not sure what you are referring to euca?

    #8740 Reply
    Glen
    Guest

    Sorry about the typos aim using I pad now I meant bmi.

    #8741 Reply
    euca
    Guest

    “Looking at the statements side by side, ASCAP simply failed to detect 75% , or more, of the performances. And, in the case of one cable show, where they did catch all the performances ASCAP paid 30% less per minute (the weighting formula).”

    Thanks MichaelL, just what I was looking for.

     


    @Glen
    , On your ascap statement, three columns before the duration is Day Part and next to that is # of plays. Primetime will pay better than afternoon, morning and night. I’m not sure about bmi’s statements, I have never seen one but I would imagine they also have the number of plays etc.

    I had a cue on Toddlers on my last statement. :21 in primetime paid just about $14 for 3 performances, so each performance was about $4.60. The same cue for a night performance paid much less.

    #8742 Reply
    Greg
    Guest

    Don’t all pro’s take a cut of this money?  Wouldn’t it be in their interest to detect and collect all they can?

    #8743 Reply
    MichaelL
    Participant

    @Greg, I’m not going to jump on the “conspiracy theory” bandwagon. That only makes people look crazy.

    However, the PRO’s collect a certain amount from broadcasters in annual blanket fees, whether they pay you or not. You can do research on what happens to undistributed royalties.

    I believe that Mark Northam (FMN) has written on this subject. Maybe Gael MacGregor can explain, if she reads this.

    The short answer is, I’m not sure there’s a connection between detecting and collecting, because broadcasters pay a blanket fee. Detection only tells the PRO’s who get’s what slice of the pie. If they don’t detect all of your performances, there’s pie leftover. The real question is who gets the leftover pie?

     

    #8746 Reply
    Glen
    Guest

    Day Part = N, A, M , or P on ASCAP statement I had one “N” play and three “A” plays… Yes, I can see that “P” (I assume for prime time) plays pay more.

    What do N, A, and M stand for on the ASCAP statement? Night? Afternoon? Morning?

    I can see on the BMI statement that there were 3 times as many plays so I guess this is a false alarm…BMI statements do not seem to indicate “Prime Time” verses “Day Time”, etc…You learn a bit more every day in this

    biz!

     

     

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