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    moderndinomusic
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    And a lot of work coming to us these days is problematic because of the licensing of the sounds & beats used, which is a totally different issue from the simple (in comparison) non-exclusive library merry-go-round.

    I am totally fresh to the music library scene here so pardon if this question is already answered somewhere – but I saw in Crucial Music’s submission form that they asked if the track contains samples from a “buyout package”. Is this what you’re referencing? Also, I use “royalty free” samples/loops from Splice in some tracks – could those potentially cause issues? I’m smart enough not to sample released music from the last 5 decades but I’m still not 100% on all of the nuances of sample-related copyright. Any advice/guidance?

    #38328 Reply
    Michael Nickolas
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    Is this what you’re referencing?

    I think they may have been referring to licensing issues. For example, most licenses state that the sounds may not be used in isolation, they must be combined with one or more other elements. Some licenses state that compositions using their sounds cannot be placed in music libraries at all. Composers breaking these agreements make problems for publishers, libraries and etc.

    And yes, samples/loops from Splice could potentially cause issues. Read the Splice licensing agreement closely and always work within its parameters.

    #38330 Reply
    moderndinomusic
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    Read the Splice licensing agreement closely and always work within its parameters.

    Thanks for responding! The Splice terms are exactly what you said – that they can’t be resold as samples used in isolation but are free to be commercially exploited if combined with other elements in a production.

    #38362 Reply
    Redster
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    Yes. Some beats and sounds packages allow you to use them for your personal purposes (music you make for wedding videos, etc.), but don’t allow them to be used commercially.

    Others, like Soundation, allow you to use them in your recordings, with no limitations on your ability to sell the tracks in any form (download, CD, vinyl, etc.); HOWEVER, you’re not allowed to resell the beats or sounds themselves as separate entities. Basically, it’s a simple “OK to use these sounds, but don’t try to sell the sounds outside of your recording.”

    Problem is, a lot of folks don’t pay attention to the licensing agreements, but just click on the “I Agree” button (there’s a South Park episode about this. 😉

    That’s pne of the reasons why supervisors want to carefully vet their music sources.

    #38369 Reply
    JD
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    Hi Folks
    I’ve been considering a subscription to Splice to try and freshen up and modernise my sound palette and also to hopefully speed up my work flow.
    My Daw is cubase pro 8, I haven’t yet done a trial of Splice but have a feeling that cubase’s groove agent will have many similar drum sounds to those on splice (although I know splice has a lot more than just drum samples.
    Aside from the above questions my main consideration is whether the splice licence agreement could be potentially problematic with regard to music libraries and film /TV licensing. I have been reading around the topic and see that although the EULA seems similar to many other traditional sample suppliers there seem to be differences that lead some writers and libraries to steer clear of Splice.
    Any thoughts or experiences would be really useful to read. Many thanks. JD

    #38374 Reply
    Art Munson
    Keymaster

    Moved Splice replies from topic that went off topic.

    #38376 Reply
    LAwriter
    Participant

    There is a very lengthy discussion about Splice, their legal terms, real world problems and the like on another forum started by a AAA music library exec who is very knowledgeable about copyright issues. He is very connected in the music library industry. His post and following discussion outline multiple problems that they are having with Splice samples in relation to copyright and ownership of masters. I can’t go into all of it here, but be assured that the bigger libraries are aware of Splice, and many are not happy about Splice samples being in music they are receiving – whether it be exposed, tucked in, or outright buried. As they say – buyer beware.

    #38377 Reply
    JD
    Participant

    Thanks everyone for your helpful comments, I will stay away from splice as it sounds like a potential legal minefield.
    JD

    #38379 Reply
    Tbone
    Participant

    I’ve read the thread LAwriter is referencing.

    The strange thing is that one of the major libraries is offering a 2 month free trial of Splice right now for its writers. I’m not sure how that ties in..

    #38380 Reply
    MM_Musicworks
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    I just signed a track with a library that wouldn’t accept any melodic/ harmonic phrase samples from any samplebanks.

    Another library was ok with their use as long as they were modified to sound like “your own” creation.

    I used melodic samples or chord progressions when i was uploading to RF libraries… Since shifting focus to exclusive libs, ive only used them for one shots/ “top” perc loops and transition fx.

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