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Just giving an update on the thread I started a while back.
Things with the student I described above are working out well for me.
I asked her if the songs were already written (which they are) so we agreed that any guidance I give on pronunciation/accenting in Spanish would be as a ‘consultant’.
We agreed that this would charged at my hourly teaching rate so now we do 1 hour guitar class followed by 1 hour consultancy on her songs.
I and she are happy with this arrangement, no problems so far.
All the best.
Thanks for your response.
The library is called Coney Island Music.
Haha!Thanks Art, maybe funny in retrospect but not at the time!
JDApril 10, 2019 at 2:20 am in reply to: Approaching new libraries, tell them of previous placements? #32030
Thanks to everyone for your really useful feedback. I have much more clarity and confidence in an approach that works for me now.
Thank you all responders to my question.
You are right Art, I think I have answered my own questions! When you say (if I do it) to go for writing credits and payment, do you mean immediate payment for the time spent coaching her on pronunciation etc
Plus a cut of the writing? If I go down that path I will have to assess what contribution is needed and what split is right. Does anyone have any advice on splitting ownership for this kind of thing. I have a feeling my contribution would be substantial so probably 50/50 would be right?
When I met this lady for our first lesson, she told me about her album she is writing. She excitedly asked if I would help her with it. I was non committal as I didn’t know her at all. The motive of her wish to learn Flamenco guitar (which I teach) was obviously to learn guitar but also singing. I do sing but don’t teach it. In any case she is already a great singer but I don’t think she speaks Spanish. My gut feeling is that the album could be be a ‘vanity project’ and may not be focused on making money. She gives me the impression she doesn’t need money as she mentioned that she doesn’t work (but does not seem skint!)
Right now I don’t know what she is proposing so I will have a frank conversation with her to get more clarity, if it turns out to be co-writing partner that she needs then I don’t have time to gamble on it (she mentioned something about it being a ‘healing’ album) . If it is just to advise on Spanish pronunciation then I can charge my hourly teaching rate .
I have come across a scenario in the past where I was contacted by someone wanting me to compose and record some children’s songs in Spanish. They had looked up musicians union rates for teaching and expected me to charge along these lines with no understanding or mention of song ownership/royalties.
Even if my student has been in the music business I can’t assume she understands the ins and outs of what she may be asking.
It will be clearer to me when I, a) read her lyrics and b) find out what she wants.
I am happy to not get involved if it is co-writing her album as it may be a can of worms I don’t want to open!
Thanks for your patience reading my ruminations, bouncing off you good people is a great help.!!
Hi Paul Biondi, sorry missed your response.
That’s very helpful to get your experience, gives me a good guide on how to deal with and structure my approach.
Thanks very much
Further to my original question, does anyone have any experience of translating songs and how this applies to song ownership of the original composition?
JDApril 7, 2019 at 6:42 am in reply to: Approaching new libraries, tell them of previous placements? #31995
Thanks BEATSLINGER, appreciate your comments, that is exactly the reasoning that led me to ask the question.
I am listening to all opinions as in the ‘normal’ world of employment what you say makes total sense. I was (and still am) uncertain of the best approach. One difference is that in a conventional job scenario an employer will want to know where you worked in the past but in the music licensing arena any other library I mention is likely to be still a current business relationship. Don’t know if it makes any difference in real terms but it is a difference.
I am still open to hearing more opinions and experiences to help me decide how to proceed..
All the best
JDApril 7, 2019 at 2:50 am in reply to: Approaching new libraries, tell them of previous placements? #31993
Thanks to all of you for your advice, From reading your advice I think my approach will be to mention maybe 3 recent placements in well known and current films and TV shows but not mention competing libraries, this should be on a ‘need to know’ basis (me being paranoid!?)
. The placements themselves should give an idea that they were placed by a good library I think and demonstrate that I can come up with the goods, I guess in the end the music I submit should speak for itself.
BEATSLINGER I am glad it has not been a problem for you but I would feel uncomfortable naming other ibraries, everyone’s comments including yours have helped me reach this conclusion so I can only say THANK YOU to all of you!!