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    HI there, upping again for another questions

    how much does FOX pay per 30s commercial around 10 pm PST ?
    does fox sports pay also ?
    does nbc news sport pay ?

    is CBS a national network ? how much does it pay for a 30s commercial ?

    thx for the numbers guys.

    in reply to: Is anyone familiar with Smart Rights (Brazil)? #35133
    uniqueplace
    Participant

    hmmm… sounds like scam to me.

    They ask 20% of your earnings just because your brazilian PRO can’t properly do its job?
    Just ask 10 times a week your pro to do its damn job. You’ll save 20% of your earnings.

    uniqueplace
    Participant

    Oh… ok

    I knew it was going to be difficult to get any money from US commercial. But here it’s a big burger brand so I’m not gonna let the money out. I actually didn’t know about the numerator ad code to pass to ASCAP, my pro (European pro) gently gave me a login to numerator and I could get the ad code, so if my pro works good I should get moneys. Also I got some AD code for other commercials that I had in the past 3 years. Turns out my pro can get money up to 3 years in the past.

    On behalf of all composers, i’m not going to let that money disappear in the meanders of Ascap computers.

    uniqueplace
    Participant

    Thanks Art Muson.

    Actually now it’s 1795 airings for the 15s and 1845 for the 30s airing.

    My vericast systems tells me the adds has been aired 1345 times but I only monitor the 30s version and not all US channels, but here’s a little summary of my airings

    1
    MLB NETWORK
    country United States 188 01:01:03
    2
    VH1
    country United States 140 00:47:32
    3
    BBC-AMERICA
    country United States 103 00:39:59
    4
    MTV
    country United States 92 00:29:55
    5
    FX
    country United States 69 00:27:13
    6
    ESPN U
    country United States 67 00:30:51
    7
    ABC FAMILY
    country United States 65 00:24:02
    8
    COMEDY-CENTRAL
    country United States 53 00:18:00
    9
    A&E NETWORK
    country United States 53 00:17:48
    10
    TRUTV
    country United States 48 00:19:59
    11
    E!
    country United States 48 00:14:50
    12
    OXYGEN
    country United States 44 00:16:04
    13
    ANIMAL-PLANET
    country United States 42 00:14:28
    14
    TRAVEL-CHANNEL
    country United States 42 00:16:45
    15
    NATIONAL-GEOGRAPHIC
    country United States 39 00:17:57
    16
    Fox Sports 1
    country United States 36 00:17:05
    17
    NFL-NETWORK
    country United States 34 00:13:34
    18
    ION TV
    country United States 32 00:11:54
    19
    ESPN NEWS
    country United States 30 00:10:47
    20
    HISTORY
    country United States 30 00:11:50
    21
    ESPN
    country United States 23 00:07:15
    22
    LIFETIME
    country United States 23 00:07:56
    23
    ESPN2
    country United States 22 00:08:22
    24
    TBS
    country United States 17 00:06:41
    25
    SYFY
    country United States 16 00:06:45
    26
    CBS
    country United States 15 00:06:09
    27
    FOX
    country United States 14 00:06:12
    28
    NBCSN
    country United States 10 00:02:10
    29
    USA Network
    country United States 7 00:02:46
    30
    FOOD NETWORK
    country United States 6 00:02:20
    31
    TNT
    country United States 5 00:02:21
    32
    NBC
    country United States 5 00:01:36
    33
    NHL NETWORK
    country United States 3 00:01:07

    The ad is still running but i’d love to know a ROUGH figure of what that numbers of airings (the one from my vericast system) means in terms of money. Do you know a rough figure?

    The ad is spread all the day and night so I can’t be really specific about prime time airing, daytime, etc… The thing I know is it seems on FOX/ NBC / CBS it’s never aired prime time but more around 11 pm or daytime.

    in reply to: APM Sampling and the PRO’s #34725
    uniqueplace
    Participant

    Pardon my ignorance, but what is exactly that APM Sampling?
    Does this has anything to do with APM Music?
    Why does a particular publisher would be the sampler?
    If you have musics on digital media, but not under APM Music, you don’t get surveyed?

    Please tell me another answer, because the one I have in my head seem utterly ridiculous…

    uniqueplace
    Participant

    Unfortunately, I can’t disclose any information regarding the brand to preserve my identity. The only thing I can say is it’s a pretty famous brand. Yet, it’s true, the commercial was only aired about 50-60 times during last christmas. It’s a small campaign in the US…
    The same campaign was aired a lot more in other countries in the world, Canada, UK, Spain, Italia, Germany, Netherlands, Japan.

    But in terms of impact, 60 airings on national networks, IMO.. Should get a lot more money than 2 dollars.
    If i compare those numbers of airings on US channels to the same numbers to comparable TV channels in UK for instance, for a 60 seconds AD, afternoon and evening, then the figures should be around 4000 dollars.

    uniqueplace
    Participant

    Great… but in my case it’s terrible, PR on US channels. I’m not affilated to ascap or BMI but in a European PRO.

    This is a list of ad i had last christmas 2018 (same ad)
    60 seconds AD

    NBC : 3 airings (mostly afternoon)
    ABC Family : 14 airing mostly afternoon and 2 airings around 8 pm
    ION : 3 airings mostly afternoon

    AMC : 12 airings mostly around 5-7 pm

    ABC : 2 airings at 6 pm

    TBS : 13 airings morning / afternoon

    For Network : 1 airing

    BET : 1 airing

    Spike TV : 1 Airing ??Comedy Central :1 airing

    TLC : 4 airings (3 morning and one evening )

    Hallmark Channel : 2

    Could someone tell me a ROUGH figure of how much i can expect for these airings ?

    For now , I got around 2 dollars from my PRO. Yes you read it right, 2 fuckin’ dollars!

    I’m 100 % writer share and publisher got the publisher share.
    This will help convince my publisher to do even more work to try to get the monies.

    uniqueplace
    Participant

    Do any US channels actually pay royalties ?
    The more I think, US channels are really defrauding world composers by using an awful lot of music from all over the world and all over the world music libraries don’t pay a penny. If you are a US composer and get one cue used by an unknown Swedish channel in advertising, that US composer gets paid in 6 months.
    That’s really pathetic.

    uniqueplace
    Participant

    You made a great point regarding how PROs are going to handle the crisis even on very close royalty payments..

    We will need to be very attentive.
    IMO, we will start to see declines in next payment in april / may / june. Depending on which PRO you’re in.
    I’m talking here about a very known european PRO and I’m 100% sure payment will decrease from June/July.

    Simply because as a result of home-working, employees of the PROs will be less efficient.Figures will go down probably even for airings that happened in 2019. This is clearly not fair, but it’s the way PROs get the money. each TV channels have to pay before the royalty payment, and you can be sure that a lot of tv channels are suddenly going to have cash flow problems and use covid19 as an excuse.

    For 2020 airings, as you said, some of the cue sheets from TV channels are going to be delayed, those same TV channels will use the lockdown excuse to not fill the necessary cue sheets in time for the royalty payments.

    As a side-effect, PROs will fix that in 2021 royalty payments by not asking for the late cue sheets because it would take too much time to include in their data system and make the subsequent royalty payments delayed so I guess in 2021 we’ll get a part of the payments based not on the veracity of the airings but on some general guessing. Some composers will win, some will lose.
    PROs are like swiss watch, well organised. But, a small little unfortunate event and they get disorganised for 2 years.

    So, be careful regarding your very next royalty payments, compare the figures with last year statements, be very precise because by experience I strongly feel we’ll get screwed

    uniqueplace
    Participant

    Well, sorry for not sharing the somewhat optimism of the topic participants, but I already see the effects of the pandemic on my future incomes.

    I’m mainly a library music writer and I earn my life with TV placements all over the worlds on tv shows llike those kitchen things, tv shows, science shows, documentaries or those police documentaries. Well basically everything that is on TV which’s not original music commissioned to a composer.

    I don’t have any library used in commercials or TV series (those use original music which I rarely do) so the fact that people are staying at home has literally not a god damn positive effect on me.

    For now, TV Channels dont seem to repeat older TV shows (repeat: i’m not talking about TV series or TV movies, i’m talking about shows that use massive amount of library music )
    on the contrary they seem to air.a lot more movies and animated children series (kids stay at home…)

    So to summarize, not a lot of repeat of older shows/doc for now, new TV shows (not talking about TV series or movies again) are not being made or with a lot of difficulties. Those daily shows are being produced on a daily basis, even if an editor could work remotely, he or she would still have to edit pictures that need to be shoot and this can’t be done.

    The closing of life must end very very soon and life has to restart again, or 2021 will be a pretty weak year for library music composers. Also for original music composers who had films or tv shows planned that are being delayed at best, and cancelled at worst.

    I’m earning $250k a year normally with just library music, but if TV channels line-up dont go back to normal, I’ll be going as low as $40k a year. Catastrophic.

    To be frank, I would still have a great life in 2021. But losing more than 100 % of your last year income, is still psychologically difficult.

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