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    Music1234
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    Can we all put our minds together to try and find out which of these networks actually pay performance royalties for USA broadcasts? Lately my Tunesat has been really lighting up on a lot of these networks and when I asked about whether or not these networks pay the PRO’s, one of my publishers just yesterday stated :

    Domestically, these will not earn a BMI, nor ASCAP royalty, however, royalties would come in from various international sources, specifically Canada. There is also a lag between domestic payments and international as they do take a little more time. Also, the data reporting from international territories may not be as clear as BMI, but when BMI provides international data, they are providing what they are receiving.

    I am just scratching my head as to why? and How? did we get to such an absurd situation where the USA broadcasts of shows on these networks DO NOT pay American writers and publishers American performance royalties, but we wait for these shows to export to Canada and Europe and then those PRO’s DO PAY, and then loop the money back to BMI, ASCAP, and SESAC…so we do get paid 2 or 3 years down the line the fractions of cents they are willing to part ways with.

    Meanwhile, the publishers collect away their blanket fees, these networks get our pro registered music, and of course, writers get the shaft.

    Can anyone (any smart publisher execs here willing to discuss this) explain how we got to such an absurd arrangement with these networks? Any smart composer want to chime in with their thoughts on this issue?

    Art, here is a complete list of TV networks, wondering if we can create a chart to list which USA networks will pay performance royalties for background cue usage, and promo usage?

    http://beachplacelbk.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Xfinity-Channel-Lineup.pdf

    It’s a pleasure to see lots of usage of one’s music on TV shows, but then when you are told “Sorry these drops don’t pay until they broadcast overseas, and then the foreign pros send ASCAP, BMI, and SESAC the money for the foreign broadcasts.”

    This shady arrangement that these networks pull off is just eternally frustrating. I mean can’t they just at least send us a few bucks for these performances?

    #37696 Reply
    Art Munson
    Keymaster

    Yep, it sucks. The U.S. has no interest in protecting it’s writers. If you want to create a spreadsheet with paying networks I will post. Another idea might be to create a shared spreadsheet on Google docs that a select few could contribute to.

    Any other ideas on how to achieve this?

    #37700 Reply
    LAwriter
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    We all know these “under the table”, but not so secret deals go down. Publishers make theirs, the writers get nothing 98% of the time. If it helps, I get paid in the US for these channels from BMI. You’ll have to extrapolate backwards I guess to find who is NOT paying.

    These are the networks / Channels from last qtr :
    PBS, NBC, ABC, CBS, FOX, A&E, A&E HIS Espanol, AMC, American Heros, Animal Planet, Bravo, Cartoon, CNN Headline, Crime and Invest, Dest America, Disc Espanol, Discovery, FM, Fusion, FXX, Galavision, History, ID Discovery, Military Hist, MSNBC, Natl Geo Explor, Natl Geo Wild, Outdoor Channel, OWN, Oxygen, ReelZ Channel, Science, SHO Next, Smithsonian Ch, Sportsman, Sundance, Telemundo, TLC, Travel, Universo, Vice, World Fishing, Local TV, Superstation

    Then on the internet :
    Apple Family, Apple Indivi, Apple Student, Apple Trial, Apple Ver Trial, Apple Veriz Bun, Apple Verizon, Apple Winbk, Deezer, Google Play Sub, Napster Premier, Pandora, Pandora Plus, Pandora Premium, Songpop, Soundcloud Plus, Spotify Family, Spotify Free, Spotify Premium, Spotify Student, Tidal, Youtube Free, Youtube Music, Youtube Premium,

    Amazon VOD, Apple TV Channels VOD, Disney Plus, Fandango Now, HBO Max, Hoopla Digital, Hulu, MSOFT VOD, Netflix, Quibi, UMC, Xumo, Xumo 2015 2020, Youtube VOD,

    And then into international stuff which I don’t think you are questioning. Hope that’s helpful. If you make a database spreadsheet, I’d love to see it so that when I get brief’s, I can choose whether or not to write for them. As a matter of fact…something that might be useful is a rating system for the channels : 1 – pays out good, 2 – pays OK, 3 – pays terrible.

    -=LAWriter=-

    #37703 Reply
    Music1234
    Participant

    Thanks LA Writer, looks about right to me based on my statement analysis.

    Art I just e-mailed you a thorough, complete spreadsheet of All TV networks and checked “Y” for yes in Column C of the sheet. There was also good information about number of households reached. Here is a quick summary of Networks that have paid me. I encourage all to lobby our PRO’s to pay us for TV network performances/ air time on shows that are seemingly shafting writers, but greasing the pockets of music publishers/ libraries. It’s just not right. If everyone collectively raises their voices, we may see some changes. I do raise my voice a lot. I send emails to folks at PRO’s all the time to ask when we will get paid for these performances, and why we do not currently get paid. YOUTUBE is no different. There needs to be a tracking system designed for YOUTUBE since they are the most profitable company in the world when it comes to advertising revenue collections.
    These Pay:
    ABC
    NBC
    CBS
    Fox
    Univision

    A&E
    AMC
    ANIMAL PLANET
    BRAVO
    COMEDY CENTRAL
    CRIME & INVEST
    DISC ESPANOL
    DISC LIFE
    DISCOVERY
    ENTERTAINMENT
    FM
    FOX SPORTS
    FOX SPORTS 1
    FOX SPORTS 1
    FOX SPORTS 2
    Fuse
    FYI
    Golf Channel
    HGTV
    HISTORY
    LIFETIME WOMEN
    MOTOR TREND
    MOTOR TREND
    MTV
    NATL GEO WILD
    NATL GEO WILD
    NBC SPORTS NET
    NFL NETWORK
    NICKTOONS
    OWN
    SUPERSTATION
    TLC
    TNT
    TRUTV
    VICELAND

    Internet audio visual
    APPLETVVOD
    DISNEY PLUS
    HOOPLA DIGITAL
    HULU
    MSOFT VOD
    NETFLIX
    SONY VID UNLTD
    TUBI
    YOUTUBE VOD

    #37714 Reply
    Music1234
    Participant

    Does Anyone Collect Performance Royalties for BBC America? If Yes….please add the “Y” to a sheet in the HOT LINKS area to the right.

    i am wondering if that channel presents a PRS to ASCAP or BMI scenario?

    I had a tune running a lot on BBC America as a PROMO In January Through March 2021. The PROMO ran during every other commercial break it seemed. I certainly hope it would pay performance royalties. If anyone has been paid (performance royalties) for BBC America placements on shows or promo’s, I’d love to know.

    #38870 Reply
    Lincoman
    Participant

    Hi all,
    Just got a hand full of placements on UNIVISION. This may have been addressed already but does this payout a little better than cable? I see on my ASCAP statement that (like CBS, NBC, and ABC) it has its own column. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

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