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October 1, 2017 at 1:26 pm #28394NY ComposerParticipant
Hey Guys,
I just finished a nice instrumental Funk que to send to one of my Exclusives. I was tooling with the idea of having my pal do a Vocal track over the Que and send that one to another Exclusive Lib as another song.
Is this a little sly?
The only way I can see a conflict is if the Lib that has the Track with vocals, needs a bed version. I would obviously avoid having identical Exclusives.
October 1, 2017 at 1:46 pm #28395Art MunsonKeymasterI was tooling with the idea of having my pal do a Vocal track over the Que and send that one to another Exclusive Lib as another song.
Not something I would do.
October 1, 2017 at 2:20 pm #28396NY ComposerParticipantA little sleazy? 🙂 . The idea just crossed my mind as a “What if”.
I mean they are technically different songs.
October 1, 2017 at 2:44 pm #28397LAwriterParticipantNo, they are a vocal version and instrumental version of the same song.
October 1, 2017 at 4:24 pm #28398woodsdenisParticipantBad idea.
October 1, 2017 at 5:25 pm #28399MichaelLParticipantNo, they are a vocal version and instrumental version of the same song.
Exactly, what LAwriter said. Moreover, if either exclusive library takes ownership of the copyright you would be infringing on their copyright. The addition or deletion of vocals does not create a new work. It creates a derivative work based on the underlying original.
October 1, 2017 at 5:56 pm #28400UpFromTheSkiesParticipantBad idea
October 1, 2017 at 6:59 pm #28401BEATSLINGERParticipantNo, they are a vocal version and instrumental version of the same song.
LAWriter to The Res”cue”!!
Bad JUJU!!
Just do the vocals over the existing track, and then write a new music bed to it..
It creates a derivative work based on the underlying original.
MichaelL!!
October 2, 2017 at 1:28 am #28402Mark_PetrieParticipantI get the sense we all just got trolled.
There are some legit ways to ‘clone’ a track but slapping some vocals over the full mix isn’t one of them.
October 2, 2017 at 9:02 am #28403DannyGuestHey Mark,
It’s in my own words “A little sleazy? ? . The idea just crossed my mind as a “What if””.
I am a member here who is participates in conversation quite often but I don’t troll.
Interesting enough how some members say they use a same bed track but change a melody around a little and use that as another track.
I hope nobody got the wrong idea. I guess sarcasm is subjective 🙂
October 2, 2017 at 10:10 am #28404LAwriterParticipantInteresting enough how some members say they use a same bed track but change a melody around a little and use that as another track.
I’m not sure who is saying that, but if the tracks are placed exclusively, that’s very dangerous ground.
In this biz, the one thing that must be guarded more than anything else is “relationships”. I’d have a VERY hard time explaining that to any of the people I work with.
Why not just write a new track? If you have to, use the same template, arrangement, form, groove, or whatever, but start from scratch.
October 2, 2017 at 10:49 am #28405woodsdenisParticipantInteresting enough how some members say they use a same bed track but change a melody around a little and use that as another track.
I have repurposed tracks a few times ONLY for non exclusives and the resulting track would be very different from the original, a EDM version of rock track for example. I always call them by the same name with an addendum like Redux or similar.This makes sense if a popular track works musically in a different genre (most don’t) and someone may seek more than an Alt track.
In general it makes no sense as its quicker to start from scratch, as well as the legal and ethical minefield if you did this with exclusives. As LA writer said you build up reputations with these libraries and something like this would flush that down the toilet.
October 2, 2017 at 11:37 am #28406DannyGuestIn general it makes no sense as its quicker to start from scratch, as well as the legal and ethical minefield if you did this with exclusives. As LA writer said you build up reputations with these libraries and something like this would flush that down the toilet.
I was speaking to an owner of a well respected Exclusive Lib a few weeks ago. He told me I would be surprised how many tracks he has received that were written for his Lib, then placed in a RF or visa versa.
Pretty sleazy……………………….
October 2, 2017 at 12:23 pm #28407AlanParticipantI occasionally reuse parts of a track if I put in a lot of work creating it. Usually for me it is re-using a drum part of percussion track.
For example, I do a swing track for a music call. I program a good drum part and come up with a good set of changes. You better believe that it will become at LEAST two tracks. They will be in different keys, different tempos, have different instruments and maybe a slightly different form.I will usually sent both in to the same music call and the publisher is fine with it or probably doesn’t even notice.
October 2, 2017 at 2:52 pm #28409AdviceGuestIllegal (contract/copyright violation) and unethical, do not do this. The underlying bed is part of the vocal song that was signed over to the exclusive library.
I assume you wouldn’t want others to violate the contracts they sign with YOU.
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