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All non-exclusive writers, Do you register your original cues with your PRO’s? Or do you just let the libraries register them?
This keeps popping up over on the Jingle Punks forum. I always felt you should always register your original titles and let the libraries register the re-titles. But it seems that many people feel it would confuse the PRO and they don’t feel they should do it themselves.
Any thoughts?
Euca,
Yes, I register mine with my original title. I’m in 10 non-exclusives. One oc them, Music Supervisor, does not take publishers share, only 50% of licensing fees. That combined with the fact that some libraries are very slow to register, made me start doing it recently. Now I just make it part of the cue process. I don’t want to lose any back end. I need every penny 😉
CEO OF MUSIC DEALERS.. “YOU HAVE TO INTERACTIVE WITH THEM TO GET MORE PLACMENTS, OTHERWISE IT’S THERE UNTIL SOMETHING HAPPENS” – Eric Sheinkop, CEO and Co-Founder, Music Dealers, LLC. (USA)
MIDEM 2012 INTERVIEW –
Music & Brands Partnerships: Coca-Cola & Music Dealers – midem 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXNo3qW6g4c
He mentioned there main focus is on upcoming indie bands.
Bands they feel are the “Next Big Thing”.
This would explain where the direction for them and why it some may not being getting placements with them
Hi everyone.
Those that have their own publishing set up with the PRO, what is a typical procedure after registering a title. If a track gets licensed and music library has their own publishing, do you just remove your own publishing from PRO? Also in your experience, is it worth having your own publishing besides being able to collect 50% after all the admin work?
Just saw that there was newbie section. Perhaps this can be moved if possible? Thanks.
If a track that you’ve registered gets licensed by a music library that takes the publishing it is most likely a non-exclusive re-title deal and you don’t have to do anything. You probably wouldn’t want to register any cue you will be shopping exclusively.
>it worth having your own publishing<
Sure, at least it doesn't hurt anything.
Michael
http://www.guidetopricingmusic.com
Thanks Michael. Already have publishing setup. Will keep your book in mind as well.
Couldn’t find a thread on FMN (Film Music Network). So I’ll ask here…
I’ve been submitting to FMN’s listing for the last several months without one listen by the client. I’m starting to wonder if these are done deals that they’ve been posting the last year.
You would think out of all my submissions in the last year at least one of them would have been listened to. Anyone else noticing this?
I submitted to five FMN music calls since September 2011. My most recent, job #5288 was listened to within 3 days of my submission. Nothing else though.
Thanks for your reply Alan. I’m about ready to drop them. It seems rather silly paying money to listings that never get listened to by the client. Actually those clients are rather inconsiderate as well.
I have actually mentioned them a number of times here. I made a number of deals using FMN though only one has panned out. BUT, that one deal has netted me tens of thousands of dollars over the years and continues to do so to this day.
I reckon it’s worth it then Art. BTW, congratulation on the good placement.
Thanks. It’s a long process to find what works and what doesn’t. Patience and persistence!
I don’t know about you Art, but the older I get the less patience I have. 😀
Questions regarding cymbal rolls:
Hey guys,
I recently completed my first full length soundscape/new age/ambient/yoga cue (ha). I put cymbal mallet rolls and wind chimes at the end of most phrases.
My question, is it a bad idea putting these across phrase lines? IMHO, it works musically and is important to the song. From an editors standpoint, it makes it about impossible to edit or loop the songs because there is a cymbal tail hanging over.
When I make a :60, :30 etc, I need to go back to the original and move all those shimmery tinkly things for each edit.
Any of you have a standard way to treat this?
Part 2, I hear a lot of cymbal mallet rolls at transitions in BG TV cues. Can I ASS-U-ME that the show audio editor is adding those to hide the cross fade between 2 cues? Should I avoid putting them in my stuff?
I use cymbal rolls in a lot of my tracks to transition between phrases/sections. In the loops/edits I create from that track though, I remove all of these cymbal rolls.
I think the ones you are talking about are all added by music supervisors to make all the music they use stick together
The FAQ does say “for a licence fee”, not for free…
JP answering questions about gratis deals..Interesting convo!
http://support.jinglepunks.com/jinglepunks/topics/the_faq_does_say_for_a_licence_fee_not_for_free
So Jingle Punks is providing gratis (free) blanket deals for networks? I thought that at least Jingle Punks got paid a flat fee from the networks. But then again, I heard MTV does not pay upfront fees for music unless it is from an artist signed to a major record company. Wow!
Great info!
Does anyone else have a problem with the social bar on the left? Sometimes there isn’t a tab to close it. Then even when it closes I still can’t click on anything in the left pane (as if it’s still there invisibly blocking it).
Working okay here on Firefox and IE but I just checked Chrome and there is no icon to close. I’m going to move it back to under the posts. Thanks for the heads up!
FYI Art, I’m using Firefox V9.0.1 and it is stuck on the left side blocking the recent comments. I’m not able to close it or move it either.
Thanks Art. I’ve also been having the same problem as Euca, with some comments not showing up on the main page although you can see them on the left pane.
Yeah, it gets hung up sometimes for me. Works on Firefox but doesn’t on Safari.
Hey Art, the new comments seem to get hung up also.
They show up on the left but not under the posts, it seems like they get
hung up until a new comment is made, then the older one moves into the post.
Does that make sense? That’s using safari also, and sometimes with Firefox,
might be on my end though.
Same here, I see a JP comment from Pat, but can’t find it on the JP page.
I’ve seen this before and I believe it has to do with the “Edit Comments” plugin. Now that it’s working it’s presented a new problem. Argh!
I disabled comment editing and that is indeed the problem. I will leave it disabled for now as I think the functionality of being able to click directly to a comment from the left hand column is more important.
Can do weird things on ios 5 iPhone and iPad.
Thanks for the feedback everyone. I just killed the “Sociable” plugin. All these different plugins are just potential problems waiting for a conflict. I’m going to try and weed some of those others out.
I just joined MLR. Thanks for taking care of this Art. Wasn’t aware others had the same problem.
Anybody using Toontrack EZmix? Got an email about version 2, it looks interesting but I have to wonder how well it works.
I have the first EZMix. Never used it much since basically to me it’s pretty much an eq preset plugin and I have eq plugins but the second version looks better but then considering the 2nd version price it should. If there was a demp version I’d try it but I’ve pretty much gotten all the plugins I need unless it blows me away which I doubt this one would.
Thanks Pat, That’s what I thought. Looks like it is geared towards the beginner. I have plenty of plug ins, well, you can never have too much!!
BTW, congrats on your Audiosparx sale!! I got my first about 3 months after I joined, it was a great feeling seeing that “you’ve made a sale” email.
Thanks euca.
“it’s pretty much an eq preset plugin”. Really? I checked out the video the other day and other than eq it has compressor,reverb & delay settings. They also sell preset packages for several different genres.
I think the difference between the new one coming out will be tweakability. From what they show, you don’t have much control to tweak the settings in the current version. It seems like it would be handy to get you to a quick starting point though. I was actually going to purchase it so that if I like it I can get the crossgrade for much cheaper. Has anyone else used it that has gone further than just the eq settings? More curious to see how decent the reverb and delays are.
Here’s the vid I watched, you can see more on toontracks site. Seems to be more than just beginner eq presets though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G45ApjH9hc
I stand corrected Musicman. I said eq preset because that is all I used it for when I bought it till I came to the conclusion that, for me, my compressors are better, reverbs are better and delays are better. It’s basically got all the things I already have including eq. It’s ok, but I prefer my other plugins. I give it points for convenience though which I’m definitely into but sometimes the ears of thepeople doing presets don’t suit what I want to hear. I wouldn’t take it off the table by any means but I have alot of plugins and like I said,if I spend another almost couple hundred on a plugin, it’ll most like have to fill some kind of void.
I was just deleting old emails and came across the exmix email I got and took another look and realized It would only cost me $50 since I have the first one. I’d be willing to take take another look for that price.
Thanks for clarifying Pat. I got the email about the upgrade as well, which basically said if I buy the first one now for $69 (less than dinner for 2) I could get the discounted upgrade when it comes out.
I’m going to try out the demo next chance I get. I know not to expect it to be a high end bundle or anything, just seemed like a convenient tool to have.
I have Toontracks Superior Drummer and one of the things I like most about it is that I can really tighten up the drums using their presets in their mixer before I even begin my mix within my daw. That said, I’d expect EZ mix to be a similar tool, quick go to to get started.
I know noticed a few dependencies with TuneSat lately.
Wanted to see if anybody had the same issue.
I noticed songs will appear for a show,
then say it is for another show later
but the audio is the same as the first show but now has another show listed.
Any suggestions on more Jinglepunks type libraries?
So far, they’re the only ones who have been securing deals for me.
I think ‘JP’ has gone into a league on their own. The other seems to be playing catch when it comes to just consistency.
Some one mentioned ‘MD’ is different though. I do agree.
They tend to have a knack for Commercials.
Whereas, JP has the ‘blanket license’ thing on lock.
I don’t know what MusicDealers has a knack for but so far I haven’t seen anything with any of my tracks.
lol, I feel ya Pat
Hi Pat,
I’m in the same boat – nothing happening at Music Dealers. I do like their site and check often on opportunities. I have my few favoritte library’s that I check daily, but otherwise I try not to “go there”.
Enjoy reading the posts – its helpful to see what you all are up to and how things are going. Back to writing!
Cari
Hi Cari,
I noticed they made their site look alot better. I wonder if they push their music like a Jinglepunks does and maybe just not ours for whatever reason or if maybe they’re jst a completely different animal. Funny how different some of these libraries are. In either case, I seldom go there though I have tracks there. At least it’s easy to post music there as far as metadata goes so no big deal time loss uploading music.
I think JP is really pushing the commercials also. I had some good commercial placements last quarter with them.
Not long ago they took the hipster orchestra to a bunch of ad agencies in the states and Canada. Sort of like a live business card.
They sure think out of the box, and it seems to be working. I think they are great!!