Can someone please explain ASCAP’s “fell outside the survey time”?

[Sean]

Hi all

I understand that some stations are surveyed stations. But if ASCAP has a valid cue sheet, and they can match it to the airing data, why is it they will not pay? I can not get member services to give me a valid reason. Thanks for any insight.

[Art Munson]

Bump. Any ASCAP writers care to respond?

[Afilion]

ASCAP pays royalties for performances for different types of media (commercial, promo, program, and PSA) based on two types of surveys, census survey and sample survey. A Census Survey is a count of each performance. A Sample Survey is a projection based on a snapshot of a small amount of time (six hours) on a minimum number of channels (4 – 12).
All uses are monitored by sample survey and are not paid unless performed during a sample survey time window. The following channels may or may not pay, even if cue sheets are filled. The show must fall in the survey time window or you will most likely not get paid.

SURVEY CHANNELS

ABC FAMILY
AXS
BIG TEN NETWORK
Centric
Cinemax
Comcast SportsNet Bay Area HD
Comcast SportsNet California HD
Encore
ESPN Deportes
ESPN NEWS
FCS Atlantic
FCS Central
FCS Pacific
HBO
HBO 2
Motor Trend
PLAYBOY
Showtime
Starz
TMC
TRUTV
Turner Classic Movies

Almost all other channels are census. Therefore you will get paid if you are on the cue sheet and make a claim.

CENSUS CHANNELS

Channel Type: Network. All performances are monitored by census survey and are paid except affiliate local programming.

ABC
CBS
CBS
Sports Network
Cozi TV
HSN
ION TV
MyNetwork TV
NBC
PBS
QVC
TBN
Telemundo

Channel Type: Network 2. All programs, commercials and promos are monitored by census survey and are paid. All other programming is monitored by sample survey and is not paid unless performed during a sample survey time window. Affiliate local programming is not paid.

CWTV
FOX
FOX BUSINESS
NETWORK
Fox News
Fox Sports 1
Fox Sports 2

Channel Type: Network 3. All programs and promos are monitored by census survey and are paid. All other programming types are monitored by sample survey and are not paid unless performed during a sample survey time window. Affiliate local programming is not paid.

Univision

Channel Type: Cable. All commercials and programs are monitored by census survey and are paid. All other programming is monitored by sample survey and is not paid unless it falls within the sample survey time window.

A&E NETWORK
AMC
American Heroes Channel
ANIMAL-PLANET
BBC-AMERICA
BET
BET Jams
BET Soul
BLOOMBERG
BRAVO
CARTOON NETWORK
CNBC
CNBC World
CNN
COMEDY-CENTRAL
COUNTRY-MUSIC-TELEVISION
Destination America (old PLANET GREEN)
DISCOVERY
Discovery en Español
Discovery Family
Discovery Life (old DISCOVERY FIT & HEALTH)
DISNEY
DISNEY JR
DISNEY-XD
DIY NETWORK
E!
ESPN
ESPN CLASSIC
ESPN U
ESPN2
FOOD NETWORK
FUSE TV
FX
FXX
FYI
GALAVISION
GOLF
Great American Country (GAC TV)
GSN
H2 / VICELAND
HALLMARK
HEADLINE NEWS NETWORK
HGTV
HISTORY
INDEPENDENT FILM CHANNEL
Investigation Discovery (old DISCOVERY ID)
LIFETIME
LOGO
MLB NETWORK
MSG Zone 1
MSNBC
NATIONAL-GEOGRAPHIC
NBA NETWORK
NBCSN
NFL-NETWORK
NHL NETWORK
NICK-JR
NICKELODEON
NICKTOONS
OPRAH-WINFREY-NETWORK
OUTDOOR CHANNEL
OVATION CHANNEL
OXYGEN
Pop
REELZ
SCIENCE
SPIKE TV
Sportsnet NY (SNY)
Sundance
SYFY
TBS
TEENNICK
TENNIS CHANNEL
THE COOKING CHANNEL
THE WEATHER CHANNEL
TLC
TNT
TRAVEL-CHANNEL
TV LAND
TV ONE
USA Network
YES Network

Channel Type: Cable 2. All programs, movies and commercials are monitored by census survey and are paid. All other programming is monitored by sample survey and is not paid unless performed during a sample survey time window.

MTV
MTV2
VH1
VH1 CLASSIC (MTV CLASSIC)

[Art Munson]

Thanks Afilion, great info!

[Sean]

Thank you for the info.

“All uses are monitored by sample survey and are not paid unless performed during a sample survey time window.”

So, are they using the sample surveys to determine whether or not performances occurred?

[uniqueplace]

no. the way I understand it is they are using sample surveys to determine if your performance can be paid or not.

For examen if the survey window is each Monday and Friday from 5 pm to 11 pm, and your music air 5 hours a day but only from Tuesday to Thursday, then you get absolutely nothing 😉

Also very interesting info from Affilion

“Channel Type: Cable. All commercials and programs are monitored by census survey and are paid. All other programming is monitored by sample survey and is not paid unless it falls within the sample survey time window.”

This means cable is paid on a census survey basis, but apparently there Is also some sample survey for “all other programming”
anybody here gets what they mean by “all other programming” ?

[Dannyc]

another reason to switch to BMI. vote with your feet and make the move.

[sean]

Thanks.

So, I guess I dont understand the first part of unique’s post. I asked if they use the sample surveys to determine whether or not performances occurred, and then unique says, no – they are using sample surveys to determine if your performance can be paid or not. Isn’t that the same thing? It should be. If the performance occurred, they shouldn’t need to determine if the performance can be paid or not.

[jerodetmusic]

Given this info, I have to admit I’m considering switching from ASCAP to BMI. I joined ASCAP due to the lower cost of registering my publishing company. Since BMI is free for writers, would it be viable to switch only my writer affiliation, and leaving the publishing on ASCAP? I haven’t had a placement yet so this won’t affect back catalog.

This would allow me to be paid from BMI as a writer even if ASCAP doesn’t pay on the publishing side for that placement, right?

Also, if a library places me & takes the publisher share this should give me a better chance of getting paid through BMI as a writer, even if ASCAP doesn’t pay publishing, correct?

Any other issues I might have to worry about with a split registration? Thanks.

[uniqueplace]

Sean, sorry English is not my native language.

You wrote this :

”If the performance occurred, they shouldn’t need to determine if the performance can be paid or not.”

If the performance occurred DURING THE SURVEY TIME, they pay the performance.

If the performance occurred outside of the survey time, no pay.

[Advice]

>> All programs, commercials and promos are monitored by census survey and are paid. All other programming is monitored by sample survey and is not paid unless performed during a sample survey time window.

Can someone clarify this? What is the difference between “All programs” and “All other programs”? Confusing

[Sean]

Ok, here’s the thing:

If they have the cue sheet, and the airing data, why is it they do not pay? Should they not pay with this info?

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