January 11, 2022 at 11:12 am #39372
There were many atrocities on my ASCAP statement, one of which included this:
33 second placement on Catfish.
Number of plays: 1,192,868
Hulu streaming royalties for said placement: $11.48
Really? What planet is this?
Thoughts?January 11, 2022 at 11:51 am #39373
That is pitiful!January 12, 2022 at 8:25 am #39378Michael NickolasParticipant
Reading this topic, I did some math on mine. I got $146.34 for the category “Internet: Audio/Visual”. Total streams across all the services was 12,318,256. Average timing equals 26 seconds. Average payout per stream – 0.000012.
This is a big reason a 100 page statement pays out the same as an 11 or 12 page statement did 10 or 12 years ago. I don’t find it worth the effort anymore.January 12, 2022 at 11:00 am #39379
Not surprised to hear this. It really does feel like the longer my statement is getting, the less I’m earning. Pretty disheartening, considering that I’m adding more high quality music every year. That dude LA Writer was screaming about this over the last few years….to his credit, he was spot on.January 12, 2022 at 11:45 am #39382
@Vlad. Oh so true!January 13, 2022 at 5:16 am #39397
Hey Art, is BMI processing the streaming royalties in a different way where composers aren’t getting railed? Not sure if you have access to the same info that we have at ASCAP.January 13, 2022 at 7:11 am #39398
@Vlad. Don’t know about that. I do know that the income from streaming is a lot less than typical cable TV. I did have music on a Netflix show that paid much more like a cable show, actually paid very well. It’s called “Rust Valley Restorers”.January 14, 2022 at 4:26 pm #39400
BMI pays pitifully little on streaming shows. $11 would be a good payment from my perspective. Most cues on streaming shows pay between $0.01 and $0.05 on BMI. Netflix doesn’t even have to declare the number of streams. It’s always “1” stream, and I’ve had shows that are “trending” on Netflix, and they don’t pay out much more.January 14, 2022 at 4:38 pm #39401
That dude LA Writer was screaming about this over the last few years….to his credit, he was spot on.
Hmmmm…. Go figure…. LOLJanuary 16, 2022 at 11:19 pm #39413Mark_PetrieParticipant
I have some music on that show, and for comparison, this is what I got from it airing on cable (MTV)
$24 for one minute of music.
As far as I could figure out, the show gets about 400,000 viewers per episode on its first airing.
Maybe Hulu’s rate isn’t so bad after all.
I think that what we’re going to see with the future of royalties (streaming replacing cable) is that hit shows will no longer prop up the royalties we get from less popular ones. At the moment we pretty much get the same amount of royalties per show – just depending on how many re-airs an episode get. ASCAP gives a bump in the rate for very popular shows, but it’s not a huge difference. With streaming, the difference will be HUGE.
I’ve been told by PRO employees that a hit show on a streaming service will likely make a composer more than they’d get on network (but for a short time, then the income quickly fades as the world is done bingeing the series). But an obscure non-hit will get a fraction of that.
Maybe that’s a fairer situation? Certainly going to be a lot more brutal.January 18, 2022 at 11:52 am #39423
Thank you to everyone that chimed in on this topic. Much appreciated.
I’m starting to feel like a career in pro wrestling might have been a better idea.January 18, 2022 at 3:24 pm #39424
Maybe Hulu’s rate isn’t so bad after all.
From what I’ve seen, Hulu is about the best paying of the lot…. I don’t have that many shows on Hulu, but they are paying out about (roughly) 10X’s what Netflix and Amazon are. Just by itself, more than all the other streaming services combined.February 12, 2022 at 1:07 pm #39489AndyGuest
I had literally 10sec on Clarkson’s Farm, which is a fairly big original show on Amazon in the UK, and I got £25 (about $32).
On one hand, it’s small, but on the other hand, if I got paid £25 for ever 10sec of music I had sync, I’d be a very rich man.February 12, 2022 at 1:18 pm #39490
Hey Andy, congrats. That’s a nice payout, love that show!February 14, 2022 at 12:23 pm #39500Michael NickolasParticipant
Today’s international statement was 146 pages long. It paid only $232.96 more than a SIX page statement from 2010.