Sourceaudio vs tunesat

[Musicmatters]

Hello, has anyone here tried the detection services offered by sourceaudio, they are substantially cheaper than tunesat which I have always thought was too expensive for composers. Thanks

[Art Munson]

I could be wrong but I think Sourceaudio’s detection service is an add on to their hosting of your audio files (which is expensive).

[dcrhere]

SourceAudio’s trotting a new service out in a few months that’s significantly cheaper and may have a watermarking option. Stay tuned

[Musicmatters]

I did hear back from the people at sourceaudio and can confirm that the detection service is not an add on but a separate service and is very reasonably priced. You can confirm with your PRO if they will accept their data or not. Tunesat really need to bring their prices down…cheers

[Art Munson]

Tunesat really need to bring their prices down…cheers

Sourceaudio’s system is watermarking. This means your music files have to be watermarked before you send them for broadcast. Tunesat’s will detect existing files that are already being broadcast.

So, if you already have music being broadcast, Sourceaudio will not detect it.

From their website.

21. When will I begin receiving detections on my watermarks?

Watermarking inherently involves adding new information to your audio files. As such, newly watermarked music must be distributed to program producers, synched in their programming, and that programming aired before detections can occur.

[Paul Gelsomine]

Sourceaudio’s system is watermarking. This means your music files have to be watermarked before you send them for broadcast. Tunesat’s will detect existing files that are already being broadcast.

So, if you already have music being broadcast, Sourceaudio will not detect it.

But the broadcast material wouldn’t be watermarked.

So how does that affect detection?

[Happy Ears]

I think Art meant to say “Tunesat’s will NOT detect existing files that are already being broadcast”.

[Paul Gelsomine]

Happy Ears

Thanks for the clarification. Appreciated!

[Art Munson]

I think Art meant to say “Tunesat’s will NOT detect existing files that are already being broadcast”.

Please do not put words in my mouth Happy Ears. I stand by my statement: “Tunesat will detect existing files that are already being broadcast.”

Sourceaudio will only will ONLY detect files if they have been watermarked.

Tunesat files do not need to be watermarked. They are two different systems.

I repeat, if you already have music being broadcast, Sourceaudio will not detect it if it hasn’t been watermarked by Sourceaudio. On the other hand, Tunesat will detect it without a watermark. Though, to be fair, Sourceaudio’s system is probably more accurate.

[Happy Ears]

Sorry Art and Paul, for some reason I read “Tunesat” as “Source Audio”. in that sentence. It was in the middle of the night……:)

[LAwriter]

Though, to be fair, Sourceaudio’s system is probably more accurate.

Magnatudes more accurate. IMO, the way of the future. I was doing a bit of consulting with them when they started to move into the audio watermark arena, and they shared some of their test criteria. It’s a very robust system.

[Paul Gelsomine]

Thanks for the clarification Art, quite clearer now on the Audio watermarking bit.

One question though. Currently, do any of the US PROs accept either one of these companies detections as proof of performance?

[Art Munson]

Currently, do any of the US PROs accept either one of these companies detections as proof of performance?

BMI doesn’t pay on it but it is helpful in tracking down cue sheets or alerting a library to track down. The one area it has helped tremendously, for me, is with commercials. Once detected I can find it on Competitrack and BMI does pay from Competitrack. We currently have a commercial that is running on all channels that I would not have known about if it hadn’t been for Tunesat.

[conorob25]

Awesome thread, guys and great tips there, Art. In regards to chasing payment/ cue sheet for commercial usage, would you normally wait and see with a few royalty statements before chasing it up with your PRO? If so how long?

Cheers!

[Art Munson]

In regards to chasing payment/ cue sheet for commercial usage, would you normally wait and see with a few royalty statements before chasing it up with your PRO? If so how long?

I would wait three quarters, as that’s how long it usually takes. I have an Oxiclean commercial currently running that started back in June. Will hopefully see some of it in March 2019 statement. If not, will contact BMI.

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