Tunesat detection for short UK advert – Found a Youtube video

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  • #32050 Reply
    Wall_E
    Participant

    Hey there colleagues,

    can anyone shed some light on Source Audio? Why is it different/better compared to TuneSat or Numerator?

    Thanks 🙂

    #32051 Reply
    Music1234
    Participant

    Not sure if they are quite there yet with monitoring. We need worldwide monitoring not just USA monitoring.

    They need to explain exactly how the deal works. What royalties , precisely, are they collecting? I am not interested in .0000000000001 royalties. I am very interested in $5, $10, $20, $50, $80 royalties from National TV spots airing all over the world.

    #32052 Reply
    LAwriter
    Participant

    Meanwhile hundreds of thousands of dollars go unclaimed because of this stupidity and reckless approach to licensing music into TV spot campaigns.

    Which is EXACTLY how the PRO’s like it. Money to move around to their pet projects (composers / publishers) or wherever they see fit.

    #32053 Reply
    Art Munson
    Keymaster

    can anyone shed some light on Source Audio? Why is it different/better compared to TuneSat or Numerator?

    Source Audio will be more accurate with detections BUT,

    Source Audio can ONLY detect IF your file is watermarked (with Source Audio) before placement in a show. Anything you have already placed, Source Audio CAN NOT detect!

    Tunesat detects WITHOUT a watermark. I would imagine Numerator is the same.

    Sorry, I’m shouting but this has come up many times before.

    #32054 Reply
    Music1234
    Participant

    Which is EXACTLY how the PRO’s like it. Money to move around to their pet projects (composers / publishers) or wherever they see fit.

    Ha Ha Ha! Good one LA Writer! Let’s not forget that wall street really has their hands in our business these days. When “private equity” gets their hands on these institutions clearly they are not motivated to pay writers:

    https://www.tennessean.com/story/money/2017/01/04/private-equity-firm-buys-sesac/96149874/

    https://www.billboard.com/articles/business/7646930/sesac-blackstone-acquisition-details

    Tunesat detects WITHOUT a watermark. I would imagine Numerator is the same.

    Numerator is not in the business of charging writers for the data they mine about air dates and “occurrences”. It’s a business designed to help advertisers audit, study, analyze each others media buys and creative work. Example: Burger King’s ad team needs to spy on McDonald’s ads (the amount of spots they are buying and the creative approach) and vice versa…Numerator helps companies with that kind of info. But they help us by showing us how many times a spot airs. PRO’s don’t always get that right either.

    #32055 Reply
    Art Munson
    Keymaster

    Numerator is not in the business of charging writers for the data they min

    True but that was not the point. The point was how they identify an “occurrence”.

    #32056 Reply
    Music1234
    Participant

    Well numerator can not identify 2 of my spots airing in Europe right now. Tunesat did though. So I am armed with that knowledge. I have 2 TV spots on air in Europe. I found them on youtube. But now what? All I can do is send youtube links of the spots to my USA PRO and hope that they chase the performance royalties down on my behalf and pay me in 2 years through the reciprocal agreements? This approach does not give me any confidence of future payment. Any advice for me? It sure would be nice to get paid in 2020 for 2019 air dates but I doubt that will be the case. We need a “numerator” for Europe I suppose. Does that service exist over there?

    #32057 Reply
    Art Munson
    Keymaster

    Well numerator can not identify 2 of my spots airing in Europe right now.

    Sounds like you are SOL.

    #32058 Reply
    Music1234
    Participant

    I will stay on this and find a way to get paid. I am waiting for responses from my PRO. I have been paid for European spots before and I know one way to do it is to actually find a publisher over there and ask them to register the title as sub publisher. They would then collect on my behalf and send me the money, but I am trying to avoid that because frankly, I should be collecting as both writer and publisher through the reciprocal agreements.

    All of this nonsense could be avoided if stock sites would actually take broadcast TV spot licensing more seriously. I am not sure numerator means a damn thing to the UK, France, Germany, and The Netherlands (PRS, SACEM, GEMA, BUMA STERMA) If some European writers who are members of these pros can chime in, that would be ideal. Anyone?

    #32073 Reply
    AllanGiorgio
    Participant

    I finally got into numerator. Tunesat detections are 20 now, different cable channels (MTV UK, Channel 5, Comedy Central UK, etc), but numerator search results are only 1 on MTV.

    Question: is the “ad code” what I need to send to BMI in case I don’t see any statements in the future?

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