We officially have another “Napster” like Moment With SUNO AI

[LAwriter]

“I’m sure writers and PROs won’t let that slide without any compensation for songwriters.”

Are you really sure? Cause from my perspective, musicians are the most stupid of all businessmen/women out there. We’ll give anything and everything away just to feel like “we made it”. We’re done for. It will take governments a decade or more to even START thinking about this, and by then, most musicians will have given up and moved on.

[MaLmusic]

I’m from Canada, and SOCAN is known for fighting for its members. Now, there’s no guarantee that production music composers will get their fair share, but I’m still optimistic.

That being said, if I was 20, I would probably choose a different career path…

[Music1234]

AI is only as good as the data it learns from. I was just listening to an interview from an ADOBE executive and how they are rolling out more AI generated photos and videos. There is a lot of BS talk about “responsibly” offering generative AI images, videos, music, etc. etc. What exactly is “responsible” here? I do not ever hear how any of these companies plan to compensate the human authors of all of this content.

BTW I have sent some very inquisitive emails to shutterstock to ask when I will be paid for the data that is teaching AI and they responded “we do not know” and staff has been told “do not tell anyone who we are selling data to”…and they are “closely monitoring these new AI developments”. I encourage all of you to write to pond 5 to ask when you will be paid for the data getting sold to mega cap tech (without payment to us, nor our knowledge of how large these deals are)…Is that “responsible” and ethical?

The reality is that if governments and courts do not step in immediately and rule on how human created content is training AI models and whether or not that constitutes “fait use” and can these new outputs be considered free of copyright or are they now the copyright of those who entered the keywords to achieve a new “output”?

Accoring to the contracts on SUNO and Udio, and I find it to be incredibly arrogant and disturbing, we can type in Happy, Hip Hop, Fun, With Choir, generate lyrics about _______________, we then own that output as if it is our original work! This is absolutely insane!

[gkaeding]

Here is a video from a Music attorney concerning UDIO , about the legal aspects and Terms Of Service :

[echoflex]

I barely make any money from licensing music, so I can’t say I have much of a dog in THIS race. Yet it is still so depressing. I USED to make great money in post production, but that has fallen off a cliff due to previous strikes, looming strikes, high interest rates (no more cheap money), massive piles of layoffs in tech and beyond and to a small extent (at this point, I believe) AI. The FB groups I follow for post production has numerous inquiries about making extra cash, changing careers, etc… These are seasoned pros. Personally I will start driving for UBER next week and I have over two decades of experience (in post – even more experience in driving cars ;).

With AI being exponentially increasing its abilities, I feel like the sooner we have mass unemployment in multiple sectors it will work to everyone’s advantage. Tiny groups of musicians on their tiny violins = lots of eye rolls. Tens of thousands of people on unemployment = government paying attention (after they have had their afternoon naps).

[BEATSLINGER]

Greetings to ALL. I said almost 10 years ago that legislation/laws needed to be put into place for the usages of AI music.. I feel there needs to be definite & stringent laws that define “professional & consumer” usages, and that larger companies cannot use AI derived music(s) You want to do a wedding video, backyard BBQ, graduation, or a limited audience video? Great! BUT, for large companies, bigger advertising agencies, major production libraries/labels. It’s off limits, and the domain of “human writers & composers”.

As well, I now being a writer & Composer for several major music companies’ libraries, and catalogs. I have seen a BIG push towards more original music from real artists and producers. I would not be surprised if the “new catch phrase” will be something like.. “Real Music from Real Creatives”.

Lastly, the ONLY people that should be really worried about AI derived musics at this time; are those that are doing VERY mediocre/run of the mill work, and had no business being in this business in the first place..

[Mark_Petrie]

How about this one!

[Art Munson]

@Mark_Petrie: Interesting, very believable, to a point. The “Jazz” tune hurt my brain and ears. Musically it was a mess. Here’s another way I might use AI. Have it create a piece of music, as a guide, and then recreate my version of it.

[BEATSLINGER]

I’m laughing, because it’s STILL “WAY OFF”. I guess it depends on what level You/I are at in this “Beast Machine”. Nevermind what I can do. The vocalist ALONE that I work with will keep Me fed..

As well, music is changing style & form MUCH to faster than “coders” will be able to keep up. THIS, is where AI cannot match human; and that is “intuition, prediction of new styles/genres, and being able to capture incredible one of a kind vocals’. AI, at this time will be a threat to anyone that thought they would thrive doing mediocre & sub-par Musics. BUT, for the real creatives there’s no stopping Us!!!

[Art Munson]

“As well, music is changing style & form MUCH to faster than “coders” will be able to keep up.”

Yep, I totally agree!

[LAwriter]

“As well, music is changing style & form MUCH to faster than “coders” will be able to keep up.”

Except that it’s not “coders” keeping up. It’s exponential machine learning and the machines teaching themselves that can learn and operate at magnitudes faster and more efficiently than the human brain – 24/7/365. Honestly, it will be waaaaaaay faster than all the LA wannabe’s who are intent on copying the next hot thing. 🙂

Now, creativity, that’s a different conversation.

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