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  • #6425
    Scott Ross
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    Hey Art,

    My comment wasn’t directed at you!! I own a large commercial recording studio in Seattle, and to be successful, you do have to be professional, even if the clients aren’t! I agree that contacting Music Supervisors for trivial things isn’t appropriate, but I felt my situation was large enough to try to find an answer.  I got it, and now I know! And, I can live with it. It doesn’t seem like I offended anyone except some people on this list!! Even the ones who originally said to “do some research and find the people to contact!!”

    #6426
    Rob (Cruciform)
    Guest

    2c…

    I have maybe 15-20 tracks with JP and they’ve gotten me 2 placements that I know of. Personally, I think what they’ve done borders on sleazy.  The messier this situation gets with retitle libraries, the more justified I feel in my decision to focus on exclusives. I’ll be looking to terminate the agreement with them as soon as the initial period is up, IIRC 12 mths, and I certainly won’t be sending any A-grade exclusive material their way.

    The irony is I had tracks with them that weren’t with anyone else. If they’d had the decency to approach their composer base during the accumulation phase of their excl. catalogue I think they would have done a world of good building composer/library relations. Instead, they’ve alienated people like myself who would have been happy to sign top shelf material with them. Oh well, plenty of good libraries with good ethics available to deal with.

     

     

     

    #6427
    Art Munson
    Keymaster

    @Scott: I wasn’t offended at all. In fact I would have most likely done the same thing. I have contacted production companies and networks when I felt it was appropriate. I’m on your side. 🙂

    #6428
    wilx2
    Participant

    any time one puts a song in a library it is an experiment. some experiments work and some don’t.  if one is watching the dvd special features, hear their song, and then find out they didn’t make any money from that, that is very lame.  nobody will argue that.

    what that sounds like is that experiment didn’t work. or it didn’t work in this instance.

    luckily, the experiment is low-risk.  one can take that same song to as many non-exclusive libraries as one can find, and simply pull the track from JP at thier next availability, which should be within 1 year.

    if one’s first course of action is to contact JP by e-mail and/or phone, and JP didn’t contact back or didn’t answer one’s question, then yes, starting to inquire outside JP would be logical.  but, if one’s first course of action was to contact outside JP, i think that starts to do some general devaluing to the library, however small.

    #6429
    wilx2
    Participant

    and btw, i just put my first 28 in JP in the last few months, before this whole exclusive thing and thread was started.  gulp.  so i’m definitely hoping for the best.  some here say don’t worry, some say it is now hopeless.  if it doesn’t go well i’ll just take ’em outta there when i can.

    #6437
    Scott Ross
    Guest

    wilx2

    “but, if one’s first course of action was to contact outside JP, i think that starts to do some general devaluing to the library, however small.”

    You need to read my original statement.  I had no idea it was Jingle Punks who gave my song to AMC until AMC told me.

    #6438
    wilx2
    Guest

    scott,

    my bad – so jingle punks told you they weren’t aware of it when you inquired?

    #6440
    wilx2
    Participant

    the take-away from this is that blanket deal means the client only has to report uses to jingle punks if they are PRO earning.

    #6441
    Advice
    Participant

    It does appear that blanket licensing issues are  a big part of this whole exclusive/non-exclusive thing. As mentioned earlier, TV shows do not want to sign multiple blanket license deals only to find the same tracks in the various catalogs.

    Audiosparx is jumping in the blanket licensing game as well. Although they will offer both exc and non-exc tracks, it does appear that as time goes on, exclusives will have more and more of a better shot. If you are with AS, plesae DO NOT share here any artist communique emails they sent out. They clearly ask us not to do that.

    I used to think all this exclusive stuff had to do with the higher end of the chain– vocal songs on major TV networks, etc. It still might but what we are seeing right now is on the  so-called “lower” end. In fact, Crucial isn’t concerned about all this. It’s the blanket dependent libraries that are.

    Personally, I have a very hard time giving exclusives on instrumental tracks that will be background on cable reality shows and pay very little. However, I’m a realist and if that becomes the only way to be in this game, I will have to adapt or get out.

    As far as JP having 25,000 exclusive tracks now, most likely, those tracks are from the company principles and inner circle. I know that JP staff names are always on the cue sheets along with ours for placements. Since those tracks were not signed elsewhere, it would have been very easy for JP to simply call them exclusive now.  I can’t see accusing them of anything dirty. If any of us had treated our non-exclusive tracks signed with them as exclusive (e.g. not signed them elsewhere), we’d immediately have the same option now. They didn’t set out to take advantage of anyone (IMHO). The industry changes and that’s the way it is.

    😀

    #6442
    twirl
    Participant

    I think I have figured out my solution to this issue. I am going to carry on like nothing has changed. I have tracks with JP, and SK and they both make me money. So, if they want to continue getting their 50% then they probably will continue offering my tracks. If someone had make me money in the past there is no way I would cut them loose. Business is always about the dollars, bottom line.

    BTW I have 25 vocal tracks with Crucial and when one gets licensed (3 or 4 times per year) I make more from that one license fee than I do from a whole quarterly statement from the blanket only libraries. I also recently started with my first “royalty free” site and couldn’t be more pleased as this has also already paid more in upfront fees than the blankets and they don’t take any of the backend!

    It has taken me 12 years to get to this point. Lets all be patient and just keep on writing and recording and sending out those tracks!

    #6444
    Scott Ross
    Guest

    “my bad – so jingle punks told you they weren’t aware of it when you inquired?”

    No problem!! Basically what happened was after I contacted people, someone from the legal dept. of AMC told me they had a blanket license with JP, and my song was part of the blanket license.  I have not been paid for that song by JP, never on a BMI statement, and never got a check for the use. Therefore it was a gratis placement.  The song was on the First Season DVD, so it’s well past time for any monies anyway.  I have not been in contact with JP, because what’s the point!! I have my answer as to how it got used! On the upside, my song was used in the most goriest, gruesome part of the DVD!

    #6447
    euca
    Guest

    Yes, a little of an upside, good for your resume. I really like the work that Bear Mccreary does on the shows. What episode was your track on? My wife and I are re-watching the first season.

    #6449
    Michael Nickolas
    Participant

    >I have not been paid for that song by JP, never on a BMI statement, and never got a check for the use.<

    I’m glad you got your answer as to where the use came from. I know most here are trying to stay positive in the face of the library business today. But I can’t find a positive spin to put on your story. I don’t see any reason that a piece of music should be used on a DVD for sale with no payment at all to the copyright holder.

    It’s not right. Blanket licenses should be restricted to backend paying situations only. No one should be using our music for free…

    #6451
    Greg
    Guest

    JP’s blanket agreements do not involve mechanical royalties.  If you tune is registered with your pro, wouldn’t the be able to assist?

    http://support.jinglepunks.com/jinglepunks/topics/mechanical_royalties_split

    #6452
    MichaelL
    Participant

    PROs do not collect mechanical royalties.

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