Forum Replies Created
-
Posts
-
[audio src="http://www.sample-modeling.com/Demos/An_Awfully_Big_Adventure.mp3" /]
On the subject of real v samples check out the above link.
Just a quick aside as regards publishing splits in the world outside of library music.
In the “normal” music publishing world I have come across two types of deals exclusive and admin.
Exclusive means you sign away the control of the copyright forever for a fee with advances set out at various degrees. 50/50 is the worst split, most are better than that.
Admin. means you hire a company to administer your publishing, collect and chase money, promote etc for a percentage. 20% being average. There is no upfront fee or advance.
NE who libraries retitle just administer your catalogue that is with them. It always amazes me that a 50/50 split is seemed the norm and accepted.
and in real life !!!
Most composers do not get paid for these types of uses because, like radio, it is basically calculated on a sliding scale of popularity. Justin Beiber will earn your share of royalties before you will if your track is played in a restaurant… or funeral home.
This is what happens in Ireland, anywhere that plays music needs a license, and the monies are split as Mark said above.
All of the above is great stuff
Action Strings is great for what he wants to do, Storm Choir is great for chanting choir stuff. Both reasonably priced, Lass and Symphobia are brill but expensive.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a4LoB5ieUxY. For Action Strings review
I use
Action Strings
Symphobia 1
Heavyocity, Damage, Evolve and Aeon.
Soundirion Apocolypse Olympus
Strezov Strorm Choir
Cinesamples CineOrchalso Protools is a PITA with Virtual Instruments, it may be worth while looking at Vienna Ensemble Pro to host Kontakt.
Crikey I go out for coffee and come back and there’s t-shirts already.
There is another simple point to be made here, if it were possible to charge $99 min per track, do you not think that the libraries would jump on it, they make more money too.
Also lets not forget each RF library has a different client base, I have sold tracks on Music Loops that have not had traction anywhere else and vice versa. Its an intriguing business to analyze. You have to trust that each library owner knows their business and clients.
10-20 years ago in Ireland (very small territory ) it was possible to get $10-20 k per 30 sec track for a commercial. Exclusive buyout on the track fro 3 years. You are now talking in single figure percentages of that figure.
At that time they were still shooting on 35 mm film etc and budgets could be 500k + easily for the whole commercial. That world is long gone, trust me.To all future library composers,wannabes, hobbyists and amateurs(especially those using loops) the library buisness is now closed. There are too many of you, making too much music (most of which lacks artistic merit). Please stop and go away, because you are causing the value of my labor (I use the term loosly) to go down.
Post of the year so far ?
This thread has taken a few interesting turns,
On the subject of the thread I think it is more prudent to control your own copyright in an uncertain market place. I would certainly go exclusive with a number tracks if they were signed with one of the big libraries. Diversity and multiple revenue streams is the key I think.
The notion that a music degree is vital to compose good music is just silly and arrogant no matter what way you look at it. The Beatles anyone..
Wether us composers like it or not, we live in an ever changing world
as far a music technology goes. The playing field has been levelled and this is a good thing, for all the average stuff, there are talents that wouldn’t have emerged, purely because of economics. If you are into electronic music check out Mr Bill and Tom Cosm. In fact even if you are not check them out, and experience something different and unique.Look at other art forms, photography for example . We now carry brilliant cameras and video recorders in our pockets. Just because I have an iPhone doesn’t make me Ansell Adams, but the next genius photographers will come from this generation.
Finally I have no desire or skill to run my own library, I will gladly hand that over to someone else. BUT I am careful,selective and diligent who I work with. The whole beauty about what Art has created here, is that info and experience is now available to all of us.
Wow, this one exploded !!! Glen/mr Composer why take such an extreme stance on this. There are many different types of non exclusive libraries out there. The ones I choose to sell from, do not sell at rock bottom prices. The ones that do , well thats their business. I am not going to start declaring that they have ruined the library business for the rest of us, thats sounds like scaremongering.
Also your definition of music in general is very elitist, any decent composer I know doesn’t use those terms. I assume you think that Dr Dre is a “beatmaker” who pastes samples together.If you choose to dismiss an entire genre of music because ignorance, then you are very foolish indeed.
Lets get real here, there are many terrible exclusives out there amongst the handful of good ones.If you have the luck or talent to get into a good one, good luck to you.Just because you, do does not make you a superior composer, or give you in any way the right to demean other peoples music. Have a listen to Mark Petrie or Jason Livesey’s orchestral cues, and honestly tell me that they are inferior to your own work, or any other in its genre.
Don’t be blinkered musically and business wise while you think you are sitting on top of the pile. There is one thing for sure in this business, no one is immune from being toppled from their perch.
Like MichaelL I am an old pro too, and embrace all the opportunities out there.
Also most TV stations require a certain amount silence at the start and end of a commercial, therefore a 30 sec spot would only have 29 sec approx sec of actual sound or music. This prevents commercials butting up against each other audio wise on transmission. I cant remember the exact EBU duration I think it is 10 frames @ 25 fps at either end.
And how could they know that ‘40%’ of music licensing companies retitle tracks?
That actually could be the case, it doesn’t mean that 40% of licensed tracks are retitled.
There are loads of retitling libraries out there who do little or no business with a smaller amount of exclusives doing a lot. We will never now the split in revenue between exclusive/non etc either I dont think.
@InLightTone I register my tracks in Ireland (IMRO). Over here if there is no assigned publisher, you do not enter one and the writer gets 100%.If there is a publisher assigned only they can register the track.
I think it is different in the States, Art/MichaelL could fill you in there.
In your scenario IF you do NOT have a publishing agreement with PT it should be left blank.
Personally I register all my tracks as I write them, any non ex publishing deals I have with libraries will append an identifier on the end of the title and then register them with their own PRO,usually ASCAP/BMI. Those appended track names will find their way back to IMRO with those publishers attached as separate entities.
@Ken. Yes absolutely.
@Greg, on the youtube clip it seems to track astonishingly well. The issue with these things in the past always was the amount of time it took to recognize the pitch and then transmit it over midi, ok for doing swell type pad sounds etc, these guys seemed to have nailed it.
Guitarists playing keyboards, disgraceful, call the MU, ban it immediately !!!!
I jest of course, the key to these things is latency,dynamics (how it outputs midi controller data and what data that is) Is it polyphonic (can each string send out on a different midi channel) etc. How does it feel for you to play Greg is the important question?, the sounds are sort of irrelevant as they can be anything you want. John McLaughlin endorses this so it must be up there. Price is $400 ish
Now what I want is a keyboard that can play a guitar ( no I don’t mean a Keytar )
Found this vid , it looks great, Mark he is using it on a Mac so it looks like it would work in Protools