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  • #34261 Reply
    Art Munson
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    Martin Sheen is a SAG board member. You should try and reach out to him there.

    Thanks Debbie, worth a try and I am a SAG member also.

    #34338 Reply
    LAwriter
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    Here’s a question for you guys who do a lot of commercials – maybe Art and/or Music 1234 (or anyone else). Does ASCAP and/or BMI ever just track and pick up the commercials for you – like they should – with no effort on your part? Or are you always left tracking them down, doing the legwork, and trying to get them paid by your own efforts? Just curiosity from a TV underscore guy….

    #34339 Reply
    Art Munson
    Keymaster

    Does ASCAP and/or BMI ever just track and pick up the commercials for you – like they should – with no effort on your part?

    They may have but I have never relied on them. My history with commercials only goes back about 10 years. Usually, once I hear them on Tunesat I start investigating.

    #34340 Reply
    Music1234
    Participant

    Does ASCAP and/or BMI ever just track and pick up the commercials for you – like they should – with no effort on your part?

    No.

    Or are you always left tracking them down, doing the legwork, and trying to get them paid by your own efforts

    Yes

    #34341 Reply
    LAwriter
    Participant

    Thanks guys. M1234 – got your message. (And I pretty much understand the “method” – more or less). I was just wondering how often BMI/ASCAP actually DO THEIR JOB without handholding and cajoling.

    IMO, it’s high time for a production music focused PRO. One that takes only seasoned writers who actually are putting out a lions share of broadcast music. One that could care less about the newest hipster indie artist or their booth at SXSW or Coachella. I’d change over in a heartbeat even if it meant a few years of down royalties, cause I know long term, if writers embraced it, it would end up dwarfing ASCAP and BMI and relegate them to bottom feeder status. We are all pretty much aware of where the big $$ is coming from, and who / where it gets doled out to.

    Time for a change.

    Sorry you guys have to work so hard for something that should just “show up” on your email.

    #34344 Reply
    Tbone
    Participant

    I have some tracks that are with SESAC due to a publisher being with that PRO, and although I have no idea whay I may have missed, I have noticed commercials being paid out without me having to track anyone down. There’s a commercial running now so that’s going to be the next one I check in a few months’ time..

    #34347 Reply
    Music1234
    Participant

    I have noticed commercials being paid out without me having to track anyone down.

    That is because your USA sub-publisher knows how to do the paper work and admin work on your behalf. Your sub publisher is motivated to do this work so they get paid the publishing performance royalties for the tv spot sync license they sold.

    T Bone we are not tracking down “People” when we learn about our music on an advert/ tv spot. We are chasing after our “performance royalties”.

    How in the heck do they deal with TV spots in the UK at the PRS? I would like someone over there who is well informed to explain it once and for all because the UK’s approach seems very complicated too…and dishonest and shady too if I may add…

    #34350 Reply
    MichaelL
    Participant

    Does ASCAP and/or BMI ever just track and pick up the commercials for you – like they should – with no effort on your part?

    Last year, BMI paid me for a Bud Light radio spot. No tracking anyone down. No chasing after royalties. Zero effort on my part. It was a nice surprise.

    #34351 Reply
    Music1234
    Participant

    @Michael L….surely though your publisher had to have filed a claim on the spot? Someone had to inform BMI about the project.

    Pleasant surprises do happen. I was paid 3K in performance royalties from Romania last year with a stock title I registered as writer and publisher. Someone in Europe had my back and reported usage accurately on my behalf.

    But here in the USA, when I get wind of my music on a TV spot you can bet that I will e-mail the PRO all information I can dig up as evidence the music is airing on TV. This rule of no competitrack data = no performance royalties needs to change.

    @ Intelligent and experienced UK Writers, can you please explain how the PRS processes performance royalties for TV spots? They owe me money but are not in the mood to send it to me.

    #34352 Reply
    MichaelL
    Participant

    .surely though your publisher had to have filed a claim on the spot? Someone had to inform BMI about the project.

    That’s quite possible, Music1234. The publisher is a well-known PMA library.

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