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Art MunsonKeymaster
I’ve thought a lot about it and almost went for it a couple of times. I really want to build my own though. If you don’t have the time or don’t want to build your own I think it’s a great solution. BTW I know the owner and he seems very straight up.
Art MunsonKeymasterAbout average for me with the exception of one which is slower than usual.
Art MunsonKeymasterGlad you got some resolution! Good luck with the tracks!
Art MunsonKeymasterThe only way that I know of is to have a Tunesat (http://www.tunesat.com) account. They detect uses 24/7 but expensive if you only have a couple of tunes. You’ll just have to wait until you get your statement from PRS. That will take a few quarters.
Art MunsonKeymasterHave you thought about talking it over with the folks paying the demo fee? Maybe that’s not comfortable in your situation?… Might be worth a try if it is.
I occasionally submit for ads through a production company and there’s usually a demo fee involved. The first time around I asked what was expected and they were quick to let me know that the tracks are all mine if they’re not selected for the particular use at hand. I’m not saying this is universal and, of course, MichaelL knows the legalities, but from my experience it seems like a common viewpoint.
Here’s another thought: If the demo fee secured ownership there wouldn’t be much point to paying anything beyond the demo fee. Just call a bunch of composers and buy out their tracks with demo fees… I’m glad that it doesn’t work that way! From my experience the demo fee has always been compensation for taking the time and effort to make a track, nothing more. Also, think about this, unused tracks actually have a value to the production company that makes demo fees worth it to them. If they can present several high quality tracks for their client to choose from then it makes them look good to the client. Only one track will get picked but all of the tracks help in that scenario…
Art MunsonKeymasterI’m not a lawyer but I would think that once money changes hands you have an implied contract. The only clean way would be to get it in writing that they are assigning all rights to you. But then you might have to pay back the demo fee.
Of course it only would become an issue if there were big bucks involved somewhere down the road and it was worth suing for.
Art MunsonKeymasterNo worries bigg romme. He just was not a guy I wanted to be around. For those who would like to catch up on that conversation you can find it here: https://musiclibraryreport.com/library-practices/general-question/comment-page-65/#comment-19282
Art MunsonKeymasterI’m with BMI and that’s what I have started doing.
Art MunsonKeymasterI tend to keep mine the same. My thinking is that if a client edited different sections together there would be a better level match. But I could be all wet. Also, there could be no “right” answer.
Art MunsonKeymaster“In the library world, the first piece of production music I ever wrote that I don’t think is particularly great just can’t be stopped.”
Amen, I have one of those too on a daily major network show. I venture to say that same library, today, would turn down that cue.
Art MunsonKeymaster>That’s a great point and may be the reason I don’t do better on the RF sites. I’m much more focused on the TV placements and their particular requirements.<
Yeah, and I think that’s why I’ve been gravitating toward moving toward a couple more non-ex libraries rather than RF libraries. My intuition tells me that the catalog I have will work better with libraries that focus on television. RF sounds like a great idea but maybe needs a new batch of work on my part that is focused in that direction.
This discussion has been super helpful! Thanks to everyone!
Art MunsonKeymaster“But if I compare a single cable blanket placement to a single RF sale, then I come up with a difference of RF being ten times higher.”
I’m looking at the whole “enchilada” though. I have about equal the number of tracks on both RF sites and the libraries going after shows. The “show” libraries do much better.
I’ve also noticed that my income from RF sites does not go up appreciably with the volume of tracks I upload to them. The opposite is true for the “show” libraries. YMMV though.
Art MunsonKeymaster>Library music income alone wouldn’t cut it for me!<
Amen! And beyond that, in my experience so far, it’s been completely impossible to get any sort of grip on what’s got legs and what doesn’t. In the work-for-hire stuff it seems like it’s always that one little tension cue that I did in a couple of hours that gets played over and over but then one of my “masterpieces” will get some love too while the rest of the tracks (that I think are really good) barely make it into the show. In the library world, the first piece of production music I ever wrote that I don’t think is particularly great just can’t be stopped. It keeps getting used over and over and I have no complaints.
One thing I feel like I’ve learned for sure is to always keep moving and never get too involved with any one thing. Finish it and move on and get it out there. Fate will decide the rest…
Art MunsonKeymaster“If I send a track like I’ve written for the RF libraries to the folks that hire me for shows they will get anxious and ask me to tone it down and focus. The extra minute and added “artistry” is a useless distraction to them.”
That’s a great point and may be the reason I don’t do better on the RF sites. I’m much more focused on the TV placements and their particular requirements.
Art MunsonKeymasterThanks for chiming in Art and Michael N. Art, you’re the main person I was thinking of when I said earlier that I know there are people on here that are doing well with the non-exclusive model…
I think that it’s hard to have a completely meaningful discussion about this stuff without certain details such as what types and genres of music are involved and the composition style. I almost always write television cues unless I’m writing for a specific opportunity that calls for something else. That means most of my tracks are 1-2 minutes in length and I’m thinking of television edit-ability and usability as I go. The RF libraries I’m with wanted longer tracks and aren’t as concerned with things like stings and certain types of breaks. If I send a track like I’ve written for the RF libraries to the folks that hire me for shows they will get anxious and ask me to tone it down and focus. The extra minute and added “artistry” is a useless distraction to them. All I’m trying to say is that it seems obvious to me that the music and writing style itself has as much more to do with success as the library model. Obviously, finding the best fit between the two is optimal and that’s what I’m trying to do…
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