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| URL: | http://909music.com/ | |
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| Twitter: | http://twitter.com/909music | |
| Facebook: | ||
| Accepting Submissions: | Yes | |
| Submit Online: | No | |
| Submit By Mail: | Yes | |
| Submissions Reviewed: | Yes | |
| Types Accepted: |
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| Charge For Submissions: | No | |
| Up Front Money: | No | |
| Royalty Free: (non-broadcast use) |
Yes | |
| Exclusivity: (Exclusive, Non, Semi) (Semi = Free to place on own but not with another library) |
Non-Exclusive | |
| Re-Title: | No | |
| Set Own Price: | Some (see notes) | |
| Contract Length: | Variable | |
| Payment Schedule: | Immediate | |
| License Fee Split: (writer/library) |
50/50 | |
| PRO Split Based on 100%: (writer/library writer/library/publisher or writer) |
50/50 | |
| Requires Licensee To File Cue Sheet: | No | |
| Pays On Blanket License: | ||
| YouTube Content ID: | No | |
| Active Site: | No | |
| Offers Subscriptions To Clients: | ||
| Notes: | We are just looking for all sorts of great music. Vocal, Intrumental, Filmscores, All types of Electronica, Sound Design, Textures, Jingles, Ambient. There is a license button, once an enquiry comes through we ask the composer for their price. |
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UPDATES!! COMPOSER SALES ANALYTICS:
Hey guys I am very happy to announce that the composer sales analytics section is up and running. Here is how it works- Log into your account and under the dropdown menu on the top right there’s a new section called ‘Manage Sales’ Click on that and you will see your sales account.
Now whenever your track is purchased your account will get populated with the particulars of the transaction and 50% will be transferred to your 909 account immediately. You can accumulate your funds there and you can also WITHDRAW funds to your own PayPal accounts!
Check it out and let me know what you think. A detailed email will go out this week to all registered composers on how to use this effectively and much more.
I’m going back and monetizing many of my tracks. Question… if a track isn’t monetized, how much would it license for? Is there a default amount?
@daveydad, I’m not sure what you mean by “monetizing”…but if you get involved with ContentID, Adrev, and signing up for every other monetizing system available you will eventually create a “feedback” loop that will create problems for the libraries that you’re in, especially RF libraries.
Seems like they use “monetizing” in a different sense at 909music. Read the terms, it’s defined under “909 Music – Music Monetization”. Also, if you don’t check the monetize box your track will be sold for $0. I just tried it out. Maybe that’s just for people who want to showcase their music or license it for free, since they offer a “share your music with friends” service.
right. has nothing to do with content id. i just got out of that mess! anyway, i guess it’s a step you have to go thru to put a price on your tracks.
“Price your tracks” might be a better choice of words, then, because there are some negative connotations surrounding “monetizing.”
Anyway…best of luck.
yeah, that was their term, which confused me.
Hi Ulla – that’s not true. If you don’t set a price for your track and if you share it on Social media, then your track does not get a buy button at all. So someone interested in the track will not be able to buy it. That’s why it’s important to set prices to all tracks you upload.
Hey Arnav, thanks for chiming in! I love the site!
When I tested it, I didn’t set a price, shared it on twitter and got the shopping cart button with $0 on the top right. I clicked it, got to your cart system and it even took me to paypal.
Hey Ulla thanks for letting us know! That must’ve been a temporary bug while we were adding some new codes to the backend. If you check again that won’t happen. if you try sharing a track without setting a price for it you will see that it has no Buy button at all.
True, it works now, just tried it out!
David if you don’t set a price then your tracks won’t have a buy button. This makes it unavailable for purchase.
UPDATES:
We just launched new profile pages for filmmakers. Now individuals can sign up as composers or filmmakers. Filmmakers have a little ‘Recommended Tracks’ feature which constantly updates them with the music of their preference. It pulls tracks from the library based on their preferences and displays it straight to their dashboard. This makes the filmmakers’ lives very easy in terms of discovering new tracks & composers, and it should significantly improve the sales volume in time.
Excellent idea Arnav!
Odd, logged into 909 today and do not see my tracks anymore. Anyone else?
your tracks are here don’t worry: https://909music.com/daveydad/tracks
We are just testing something the tracks tab will be back soon.
It seems like the prices on 909 are fairly good. But, what is the ratio of customers who buy ala carte vs subscription? I can’t imagine that composers earn very much in the latter instance.
That is a very good question.
But from my knowledge, subscriptions are there to help the clients, not the composers. The clients pay a fee that is greater than an individual license, but they get access to a lot more music. The library makes money from the subscription, which is the same as a blanket license with other companies.
Most of the time, those fees are not shared with the composers. When they are shared, they are shared based on the amount of music a composer has with the library. So quality would not matter. I could have 1,527 random tracks. You could have 20 great tracks. I would get paid more money because I simply have more music in the library.
I am in no way trying to denigrate 909 Music. I believe that Arnav is working hard to create a company that works both for composers and clients. Whatever happens, I hope that 909 Music continues to work hard to provide the best experience for all parties involved.
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I think its about time that composers here stop jumping to conclusions and read everything that is written on the website properly.
Subscriptions are for clients to download music to test them they are in no way allowed to use the music commercially.
Other libraries give these downloads for free without even having to register.
Thanks for the explanation. Sorry I didn’t take the time to parse the details.
Your listing on the MLR says that 909 accepts SFX, but I don’t see that on your website. Is that planned for the future?
Yes that’s right – By the end of the year we are rolling out the SFX section. For now we just have basic sound design elements and some Sci-Fi tracks for 3D animators at https://909music.com/library/default/sounddesign
adigold,
Did you contact them directly to ask about your payment issue? Seems like that is the logical first step, before blasting them on MLR. I uploaded my catalog to 909 a couple months ago, and have had 3 sales in the last week. All 3 were reported and payed out immediately. It’s true that 909 does not yet allow proper sales tracking on the composers’ end, but there’s a certain amount of trust involved no matter where we sell. It seems like Arnav is making improvements to the website and wants to make it a place for composers to thrive. That’s just my 2 cents. Cheers!
Neil H.
Seastock
Thank you Neil. That means a lot. Cheers!
I saw a statement on the website about giving away 3 free tracks if I enter in an email address.
Whose music is being given away for free?
How do these free music giveaways help the content creators?
Is there a way for composers to opt-out of having their music being given away for free?
My tracks are being given away for free. From my catalog of 176 tracks I composed: https://909music.com/arnav/tracks
I give my tracks for free to get filmmakers to sign up that will benefit every composer on 909 Music.
– Arnav
Arnav,
I certainly appreciate you taking the time to address this thread. You’re completely correct in saying that Adi Gold has jumped to conclusion is stating that he isn’t getting paid. I apologize for jumping on the bandwagon. We as artists see so many ‘opportunities’ for making money, getting publicity, that are illegitimate and poorly operated that many of us are quick to judge and scream scam, run away. Music 909 appears to have good leadership and offer great product. I will reconsider submission and look forward to working with you in the future. Thanks for your attentive nature and willingness to address this.
Thank you Kelly – If you have any concerns you can always email me and I will reply immediately.
– Arnav
Hey guys this is Arnav and I am the Founder of 909 Music. I would like to address a few concerns that many of you have here. I take FULL responsibility for all the composers on 909 Music, a platform I am proud and passionate about from the bottom of my heart.
1st CONCERN – SALES:
Yes some of you have made money with us, most of you have not made money with us. While one can come up with several excuses for this, I will not. In fact I will tell you exactly what is going on. We are spending 100% of our time and efforts on PRODUCT and not so much on marketing. I believe that if you don’t have a great product there is no point marketing it one bit. There are more than 65 Royalty Free Libraries out there. I did not start this website to make it just another library BUT my ambition is to revolutionize the way Content Producers and Composers connect with each other.
Many of you said that the platform is SMOOTH, the uploads are FAST and EASY. This is because I focused on product from day 1. And this is just the beginning. You cannot begin to imagine what features are in development.
Just as a side note: Do you not see value in the social music players we released? How many other libraries do you know who have this? Do you not see value in the eBooks I started sending out?
We are not just building a library but an entire ECOSYSTEM in which video producers and music composers enrich each others lives that is based on both creative and monetary value. That takes time, tenacity and a support group. And 250 composers on 909 Music have been that support group so far.
2nd CONCERN – NOTIFICATIONS:
EVERY SINGLE composer that sold a track has been notified by email and on PayPal. The company just sent out an email last week stating all the new features that are coming out next month in terms of composer statistics. It is clearly mentioned that ALL composers will be able to MONITOR and TRACK their sales AND withdraw funds to their own PayPal account. Exactly like what Fiverr.com allows you to do.
3rd CONCERN – Adi Gold’s comments:
Every single composer who emails us and asks to get on the library has been informed clearly that in this present situation whenever a sale is made we manually notify the composer. Adi Gold bought his own track to test this system and two things happened:
a) We realized he bought his own track so we refunded his entire amount
b) He was immediately notified that he bought his own track and his entire amount had been refunded.
So I still fail to understand what his issue with us is. He complains of the fact that an automated message was not sent to him about the sale. We have never claimed to send out automated messages on every sale. Besides, In a month, as i said, every composer will be able to track and monitor his own sales and withdraw funds to his own account. We have been working on our product with utmost care and intelligence and this is not something we take lightly.
4th CONCERN – TRACK PLAYS, BUT NO SALES:
We are in the data collecting stage as every startup is in initially. Some tracks have over 1000+ plays and made only 2 sales. Some tracks have under 50 plays and have 10 sales. Studying consumer behavior is on TOP priority at 909 Music. We are investing all our energy and capital on improving our product and understanding consumer behavior in the Royalty Free Music space so that we can increase sales for each and every composer. That is part of making this a great product. This lays the foundation for something that has the potential to become massive.
I have received hundreds of emails from composers telling me that this is by far the best user interface they have seen. That is proof and validation enough for me and my team that we are on the right path. Focusing on making a superior product first is the right path. In a matter of months we will have a superior product in the market. Once the foundation is set revenue follows.
I would like to address every single concern everybody has regarding 909 Music. If you want to reach me directly please email me on: as@909music.com
Thanks for being proactive and coming on here Arnav.
Composers are more and more leery of new music libraries. We have seen a lot of companies fold over the years without knowing what has happened with our music after the company folds. There has also been a big spike in music being stolen and ending up for sale on other sites, under someone else’s name. Composer’s are being much more cautious these days.
I think I can safely say we all wish for you to be successful and hope you are!
Hi Art – I am glad you read this post. I remember having a conversation with you when I first setup my account on MLR. You had seen 909 Music back when it first launched and If you look at the website now, there is not a shred of doubt in my mind that you will say we have made tremendous progress in terms of product.
I have read about the state of the industry these days. We had a few composers who stole music from other composers and tried to upload them on our site and we immediately blocked their accounts and banned their IPs.
I can assure all the composers on your website here that 909 Music is one of the good ones and our focus is purely on creating a marketplace for composers and content producers alike which is like no other and will serve to maximize the creative potential of both parties.
Thank you Arnav for coming here and taking the time to explain in detail the situation of your enterprise. After reading this, I am optimistic about your drive and spirit. I recently decided to add 2 libraries to the very short list that publishes my RF catalog. I had already selected one, now, I found the second one: it will most probably be 909.
Keep up the great work, and I look forward interacting with you soon!
Thank you Edourdo – I look forward to seeing you on 909 Music
Yeah, I’m glad I followed this thread and never submitted. I got the opportunity through Music Clout, which is either a huge pile of crap as well, or my music isn’t marketable.
I started uploading only a few tracks in January, maybe like 5-10, and then got side tracked. I got 1 sale so far with only a few tracks, and got paid straight to my paypal. It was nice. Also I’ve got a decent amount of track plays so I am pretty optimistic about them. I am going to upload my entire catalog and see what happens.
Hi Musco My friend, I just wanted to let you know that Ive removed all my tracks from 909, few days ago Ive made a sale by my self and bought one of my tracks , and you wont guess , how surprising ! ! ! didnt got any sale notification ,didnt got any money…. I dont trust this place anyomore ! 6 months 220 tracks not even 1 dollar.. just thought you would like to know this info..
one more important and strange thing ! even that I have deleted all my tracks from the website manually by my self track by track and deactivated my account profile, there is still a way to find my tracks on 909 Facbook and twitter page and BUY THEM ! ! ! do you still trust that guy? Im not !
Crikey, that’s really concerning.
did you try to contact them and ask why your tracks appear in their facebook etc even if you deleted them from their catalog?I’ve never made a dollar with them either and my tracks sell very well in several other RF sites.Maybe it’s time to delete my account there as well…
So you removed your tracks, but you were still able to purchase your own track and did not get paid? That is terrible. There is no reason for such unprofessional behavior from a company.
That’s not true – Please read my comments
We have screenshots from PayPal that prove we notified Adi Gold within 30 mins of his transaction. We also have screenshots of his payment being refunded to him because we realized he bought his own track. This was done within30 mins of his transaction. That is enough to prove his dishonesty when he says he made a sale “few days ago” and he “didn’t get any notification”
Here are the details which we have authentic screenshots of:
SALE:
Mar 13, 2015
09:58:06 GMT+04:00
REFUND:
Mar 13, 2015
10:32:25 GMT+04:00
Please note: Once a sale is made, 909 Music has a NO-REFUND policy. We still refunded him because we realized he bought his own track.