- This topic has 59 replies, 20 voices, and was last updated 5 years, 2 months ago by Advice.
February 3, 2014 at 10:34 am #14629chuckthompsonParticipant
I guess it looks familiar because many of us have been a part of that ‘fairy-tale’ organization… 😉February 5, 2014 at 9:52 am #14645AnthonyGuest
I would say never ever part with your money to submit music. You don’t need to , there a plenty of libraries who are only too pleased to listen to your musicFebruary 10, 2014 at 1:37 am #14671el_monoParticipant
Its just a way of fleecing people new to the industry.February 10, 2014 at 5:05 am #14672
If it weren’t for a certain company whose name starts with “F”, I would have never gotten started making placements on TV. I still get introduced to new libraries every day because of them. Not all the libraries that run listings are ones I want to sign with but some are.
Also, don’t forget that here on MLR people tend to use the word “library” to mean a very wide range of library types from the lowest end RF to the super high end exclusive.
Of course I agree that one should always be cautious when plopping down $$$.
But the bottom line is “Never say NEVER”… Every situation is unique.May 1, 2014 at 11:03 am #16059SteveGuest
Art Munson said
A big NO! There is no reason to pay to submit to libraries.
Absolutely not !!!!
One thing I recently learned about the “pay and pray” site that starts with a B is that sometimes the opportunity you paid to submit to is just a library, not a specific opportunity like the listing might lead you to believe. I was briefly shocked when this happened to me, then I was quickly reminded that this is the music business which can sometimes be a very sh*tty business.
Despite this, I decided to join the one that starts with a B. I’m going to try it for one year and see how it goes, even though I certainly agree with Peter Andersson:
Do not pay in order for a company to earn money. Its lose-lose for you and win-win for them.
Chuck Mott said
No they don’t have data on their placement rates or success rates when asked.
I believe that’s by design. They have the data, they just don’t want you to see it.
For a long time I struggled with the idea of paying to join B, but I recently finally decided to pay for one year. Quite honestly it’s similar to Vegas – you decide how much money you’re willing to lose before you put it on the table. If I don’t get much out of my membership and learned a lot on the way, that’s fine by me in the short term.August 3, 2017 at 11:31 am #27844tobytuneParticipant
I am a newbe to this site and never realized that there were so many music libraries out there! And now I see this discussion of Pay to Play.
I have been a member to B and have been paying a yearly fee as well as a fee to pay to send music to un-named libraries. Never liked this idea but thought that was the norm. Same with X. Being a music supervisor for over 30 years and having maintained 70 libraries in my studio, I was the one paying and buying music for my clients. Now, with these guys, people are paying THEM to get there music heard and maybe selected. After all these years, this pay thing stinks. Thanks for opening my eyes to other alternatives.August 3, 2017 at 11:51 am #27845
It’s important not to call pay services LIBRARIES. They are not! Never pay to submit to actual libraries.
However, when it comes to paid services who connect you with libraries or music sups, there are both good ones and bad ones out there. I won’t mention names. I will say that 2 of these services were very instrumental (no pun) in getting me started in this business and I am very grateful to them. 😀August 4, 2017 at 9:28 am #27851Michael NickolasParticipant
I agree with Advice, the post back in 2014 (“But the bottom line is “Never say NEVER”… Every situation is unique) and this recent post (“there are both good and bad”). Earlier this year one of my tracks earned a $10,000 license fee directly because of a paid submission I made two years ago. I like the strategy of spreading tracks around the different business models and this sometimes includes paying to submit.August 4, 2017 at 9:40 am #27853TOBY TUNEGuest
Here’s the thing with that. So many services want you to pay money to submit to libraries but the libraries names are hidden so you really don’t know who you are sending them to and possibly sending out to the same libraries thru different services. And I have noticed that these libraries post things like “looking for New Age” and after 3 months of people sending in music ( many of them excellent), they only select one. Then they start the process all over again. And these libraries make money for each submission so it is a revenue generating thing for them in itself.September 5, 2017 at 9:00 am #28087DannycParticipant
can someone clarify me something about these services. are they only forwarding composers tracks to music libraries or are the making opportunities available where they are bypassing music libraries and sending your tracks directly to the music sups or editors of certain TV shows etc?September 5, 2017 at 10:09 am #28088
Toby… Not all these services have the listing parties share in submission fees. One reputable one I work with does not. Personally, I don’t think services sharing submission fees with clients is ethical as it creates an immediate conflict on interest as far as running a listing at all.
Danny… Both. Services may list for libraries and/or direct to music sups.September 5, 2017 at 10:09 am #28089ChuckMottParticipant
I know people who started with, i.e., the [removed] company who did fairly well and got a good start. They also did well after leaving. After a couple “forwards” in the first year (submitting maybe a few times a month, at $5 a submission ) on top of the $200 membership fee, I did a second year but didn’t do much in that second year and focused on researching here instead. I got a lot of good feedback and took advantage of the forums, which being pretty much a newbie at my first time doing what I considered “serious” recording work, helped a lot and I made some good friends in the process. There it was libraries more often then not, with some music sups thrown in.September 5, 2017 at 10:17 am #28090ChuckMottParticipant
I was going to say, if your stuff is up to par, libraries will take it. If it is not, paying a submission fee is not going to help you other then to take advantage of feedback and the forums. And do you need to do pay to play to get there. Possibly not. If I had some stuff that was well produced in that first year (and I think I did given that some of these tracks were used frequently since), it was because I got a lot of feedback, from one member in particular. That was where the value was for me , in networking and their forums. The feedback forms they sent back as part of the reviews were nothing I couldn’t have figured out on my own if I were being honest with myself. Rejected tracks there went on to do well. Too subjectve in my opinion , there anyway. If I were to experiment with something else now it would be direct submission to sups.September 5, 2017 at 10:18 am #28091MichaelLParticipant
And these libraries make money for each submission so it is a revenue generating thing for them in itself.
The libraries do not take a cut of the fee that composers pay to these services, which often act as a much-needed pre-screening service for the libraries.September 5, 2017 at 10:23 am #28092
Michael, my friend 😀 Please don’t call these companies, “libraries”. And not true… Many of them do take cuts of submission fees. I won’t mention names. The only one I know that doesn’t is the [removed] one and I give them major ethics kudos there.