Mark_Petrie

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    I think the comparison of big labels vs boutique libraries and the performance a composer experiences with either probably depends a lot on:
    – what genres you’re writing, and the demand, shelf life etc for those genres
    – if your music is in the core library as opposed to a sub-label
    – how polished it is… like is it recorded live, has a pro mix etc.
    – and to be blunt, how good it is – the potential for re-use, better placements (themes etc).

    Mark_Petrie
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    I’ve had the opposite experience – just talking royalties (like not including trailer libraries generating sync fees), the big ones like you listed have been by far the biggest earners for me.

    in reply to: Doing Trailer Full Time #37439
    Mark_Petrie
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    The trailer music business for a composer is high risk / high reward

    There are two main ways composers make money from trailers:
    – getting an existing track licensed (we often lightly ‘customize’ these for trailers too, when they’re being cut to by an editor)
    – writing custom music / arranging or overlaying material (over a song) for a trailer.

    The latter seems to be much more common than it was when I started out in trailers about a decade ago.

    Getting an existing track licensed means you have a good library repping the music.
    This means the library almost certainly owns the music… and this is where the ‘high risk’ side starts to pop up.
    What I mean is, there’s a good chance a great track might NEVER get used. The competition is so fierce for trailer placements that a veteran composer is lucky to get a hit rate of about 80% for high fee placements (like tv spots, trailers) for the shelf life of a track (over about five years or so).
    A newcomer (speaking from experience here) is likely to get less than a 50% hit rate… maybe WAY less.
    As composers are rarely paid upfront AND get any of licensing (it’s usually one or the other – with a few exceptions I know of), it’s a huge bummer to spend a week or more on a track to get it up to the standards of trailers, and have it never get a big placement. There are smaller fees a track can make – promos, streaming trailers etc… but you’d need a lot of those to make up for the time we can end up spending on these tracks.

    There is a second life trailer music can have which can mitigate some of that risk – tv placement (reality shows etc). Still, it’s usually a fraction of what you’d hope for from a significant sync fee.

    Working on ‘customs’ is arguably more risky – there’s often no way to know if the assignment coming from a library is a cattle call where you’re one of 20 submissions, or it’s a very specific request going just to you.
    Customs often involve working with a theme or song, and the material you come up with is usually difficult to salvage / re-purpose for something else.
    Customs are stressful – often with overnight or even same day deadline.
    Another crazy thing about customs – not only are you potentially competing with other composers, the editor you’re submitting the music for is likely competing with other editors for the same trailer!
    From the various composers I’ve talked to about this, most that do customs fairly regularly are lucky to get one in 20 land. The most successful have it down to about one in 10.

    Oh, did I mention customs are usually UNPAID unless you win?! Demo / ‘kill’ fees are rare for trailers.

    So why do people do it at all?
    – the music is fun to write
    – the addiction of getting the occasional big placement
    – the money can be really good if you’re consistently putting out high quality music, and it’s getting used on promotions with high license fees

    What’s the money like?
    Fees from which the composer usually gets 50% –
    – TV Promos: about $100 – $400 license fee and also good royalties (I think around $180 – $300 a pop for network placements)
    – game trailers: anywhere from $1000 – $20,000
    – streaming trailers: seem to range widely from $2500 – $20,000
    – TV spots for theatrical releases: $5000 – $30,000
    – Theatrical trailers: $10,000 – $70,000 (usually in the realm of $30 – 40k)
    – Customs: these can be A LOT, with a huge range – depending on the length and project, it could be anywhere from $5000 for something super short to $70,000+.

    in reply to: How-to courses… good ones, bad ones, run away? #37386
    Mark_Petrie
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    I’m sorry, but my IMDB page has hundreds of shows, and thousands of episodic placements on it. And I give info out for free to anyone who bothers to ask.

    You put all your library placements up on IMDB?

    in reply to: Fending off giving a manual for success! #37322
    Mark_Petrie
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    These days, when asked about how to make money with library music, I direct aspiring composers to Dan Graham’s great ebook.
    It covers the basics and sets realistic expectations for success. If someone takes the time to read this (or any other recently written book on the subject), and then comes back with informed questions, I’ll gladly answer any of them. But I use it as a way to weed out the people that aren’t really serious (I’m not getting any kick back from Dan, in case you’re wondering!)
    I also try to emphasize how this gig is really a tech job, and how your income potential is only limited by your production skills.

    in reply to: Does this seem fishy? #37220
    Mark_Petrie
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    OK… I made $100 on my latest BMI statement for TV show last March. Then a couple of days ago I get a check for almost $4000 from a non-exclusive library for the same show placement! My cut is only 35% so that means total payout was over $11K? I just watched the 30 minute episode and heard 1:30 mins of my music. Something doesn’t feel right. Do you think the network made a mistake? Thoughts?

    A few thoughts…
    why are you only getting 35%?!
    What was the 11k – a license fee? If so, it’s great to hear they’re charging decent fees

    Mark_Petrie
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    It sounds like the library would be fine with you selling / streaming the music through CDBaby, and Apple / Spotify etc… as long as you didn’t opt into their licensing options and other b2b business opportunities.

    It’s nice (and rare) that a library would let you do this.

    in reply to: MLB, NFL , Fox sports – payout averages #36076
    Mark_Petrie
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    I’m with ASCAP. Network games pay ok depending on the audience. If it’s a regional game (most are) then the payout is small – most lines will be in single dollar amounts. If it’s nationally televised (world series etc) the per minute rate can be similar to top tier network – like up to $240 a minute.

    in reply to: Is this a good idea? #35905
    Mark_Petrie
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    I just wanted to chime in –
    LAwriter is a great source of knowledge here, and I’ve always enjoyed his/her thought provoking opinions.
    But I disagree strongly with the notion that you need to churn out 1500+ tracks to make a living. I can attest to the fact that a small number of top notch tracks, crafted for maximum placement potential, in the hands of a great library will make more than 1000 mediocre tracks. When I look back at which tracks were the six figure earners versus the hundreds that made me very little, it’s not really a crap shoot, randomness. The big earners were tracks with compelling tracks, authenticity and designed (sometimes by accident) to be easy to drop in to the intended clients’ projects.

    I also disagree with the blanket statement ” It is EXPONENTIALLY more difficult to earn a living in 2020.”
    Maybe the low hanging fruit of the 2000s – mid 2010s is gone. RF is super super crowded. Even in reality TV, mediocre churned out stuff won’t get the usage it might have 10 years ago.
    But… there is still so much opportunity if you take the time to craft library music like I described above:
    – authentic
    – high production value
    – compelling hooks / feel
    – designed and structured for maximum placement opportunities

    These days I often make more from just one track that takes a week or two to fully produce, than I do from 100 tracks I churned out at a rate of 2 or 3 day back when I was first starting out. I also enjoy the process A LOT more.

    in reply to: Where is evrybody??? #35471
    Mark_Petrie
    Participant

    Some of us spend more time in places like VI control and FB groups (I’m one of the moderators for a trailer group there)… but I check in here at least once every few days. Still tons of relevant info and it gets updated when things like library policies and deals change.

    in reply to: Licensing for TV: audience dimension? #35416
    Mark_Petrie
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    Rate cards for advertising licenses are usually broken down into something like:
    – local (town / city)
    – regional small (one section of a big state or a whole small state)
    – regional big (several states)
    – national
    – international

    Then there’s the media – is it radio only, web only, theaters, radio and tv, or all media?

    Mark_Petrie
    Participant

    I’ve had non-ex tracks go in and out of SourceAudio’s Content ID half a dozen times at this point. One library did it three times – once intentionally, and then when I explained why they couldn’t do that, they removed it. Then they updated their SourceAudio catalog and it was all automatically ‘ingested’ (love that term) into CID again. This happened twice more, and essentially made me persona non grata with a (at the time) well performing RF site… the owner of that site was not happy with the constant CID issues to say the least. I can’t really blame him, but it’s not always the composer’s fault either.
    Another non-ex library got quite argumentative with me about it when I told them they had done the same thing – didn’t see why it was an issue not matter how hard I tried. I ended up pulling all my music from their library.
    Don’t get me started on CUSTOMERS claiming the music they license with CID! I’ve had instances like a customer adding music to a sales seminar and claiming all the audio (and any YouTube use of the music). I have had to fight claims where a paying RF customer thought they could rap over the music they licensed and take all the credit, and all the CID income.

    in reply to: ASCAP Domestic Royalties… #35330
    Mark_Petrie
    Participant

    I had my worst July payment in five years, but I’m not too worried – could be that some cue sheets were late.

    in reply to: Netflix Back End #35183
    Mark_Petrie
    Participant

    It was one quarter. Several really popular shows made up the bulk of it, which I’m super grateful for.

    in reply to: Netflix Back End #35166
    Mark_Petrie
    Participant

    My latest statement: 21 pages of Netflix, $405.
    On the other hand, My payout for Hulu was amazing: $10K.

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